Setfenv

Already made a forum post about this....

Yes, the entire season. And only rewards will be available in 3v3, you can still queue 2v2 but you won't get anything out of it other than conquest points, just like retail. Yeah, it's great, but you still look over the fact that nothing will really change. Let's say they implement the new system on control panel and logs and stuff, that will stop wintraders, great. Still no 3v3 queues at all, 2v2 being swamped with retarded shit like mw/war and hpr/mage. That's why 3v3 should only matter as far as rewards are concerned. I already stated this but I'll state it again. People are concerned about having only 3v3 give titles. Saying that it won't make a difference..... Of course it'll make a difference. It'll force the 2v2 heroes to play 3v3 if they want any sort of reward. Plus, this is 100% only directed towards the high-end players in 2v2 that rarely queue 3v3. It will force them to queue 3v3 while the randoms and casuals can have their fun in 2v2. Removing the titles won't affect the bracket at all until you reach Challenger level, which a few seasons ago was 2.8+. So, casuals would never even get close to reaching it, therefore they wouldn't even notice a difference. But, the players who tryhard will notice a difference and will actually have a reason to queue 3s. If you don't understand it, sorry. I'm done explaining it. Nothing really left on this forum. This is my idea, you either like it or you don't. End of story.

HIGHLY agree with this. Sorry to say but the only time I ever saw an RMD play like an RMD was Tempo Storm in the US Regionals. They actually cross-cc'd and got setups. If you notice like every RMD on EU at Regionals were playing like Turbocleave from WoD. Train one target and occasionally CC the healer. No sap/double cheap into full poly and full clone, none of that shit. Legion might be fun in every aspect outside of arenas. If it's boring in arenas, it's a boring expansion. End of story. Anyway, wtb new season/website/bug fixes/etc. ;)

Did you just say that retail 2s was balanced? dafook?

I'ma be honest, I only like wod because it's so much easier to play than mop. Like, every class that I enjoy(except mage and rogue) are more fun in WoD because they're simpler. Like, rsham for example, or hpal. They just seem easier to me in WoD.

Like I said, remain mature or get off of my forum post, please. :) There was never a need to queue 3v3. It's more work, no queues, and one more person to worry about for each team. That's logic.

Does this include horde? I, myself, have a team on horde. Does this mean we can't participate?

LOL, please grow up one of these days or get off of my forum post. I'm living proof that changing the titles from 2s to only 3s will make 3s relevant. I never queued 3s on this server because there was never a need to. 2s is 10x easier to get into, as I stated numerous times in my previous posts, that's why people don't queue them. But if the high rated players didn't get anything for their work in 2s, they would queue 3s. That's basic logic. Why would they waste their time.... And btw, the bugs are fairly obvious. Fall through map, pathfinding glitches, OP Spells, etc. You don't have to be playing on this server to know what bugs exist considering they've been here for years. - - - Updated - - - 2s isn't preferred because of titles, it's preferred because more people queue 2s which is a result of the difficulty it is getting into 3s. I'm not interested in getting the casuals into 3s, not even casuals on retail are into 3s. I'm interested in getting the high rated players into 3s because if you got rid of the titles(as I've stated like 3 times now) in 2v2, the good players wouldn't waste their time queueing 2v2, they'd switch to 3s. Look at Dartmeganz on Firestorm, he's already 2.2 in 3s after like a week of gameplay, he's not pushing for rank 1 in 2s because there IS no rewards. Btw, you have no idea how easy it is to get high rated in 2s compared to 3s. That's basic logic as well. More people queue 2s, which means more queues, which means you can win more, which means you can get more rating quicker. Players aren't nearly as good in 2s until you get to like 2.5 mmr+, and you don't need to find an extra person for 3s. You don't need any form of skype or communication, you don't even need full gear tbh.

Yeah, but gamebreaking bugs are unbelievably easy to fix. I don't know what they are because I haven't queued a single arena on this server in months, but you'd think by now they'd have fixed it as they've fixed like 100 class bugs in the last month. And plus, who's to say making 3v3 relevant again won't bring players back, it's the reason I'd be coming back.

I understand perfectly why people queue 2s on private servers. Because they're too lazy to find a 3s team, and because they're not good enough in 3s to actually make it anywhere. 2v2 is 10x easier to be good at and easier to get into. You can just ask in trade chat if you want 2s and like 5 people will invite you. That's because 3v3 is too hard for casuals to do. Most people on private servers aren't worried about their 2v2 rating, they play because it's fun. But those of us who do care, we want to play 3v3 because it's much more skill-based. Look at retail, I can guarantee there are more people in the "2v2 bracket" than in the 3s bracket, even though they don't have a bracket for 2v2. It's no different, people are still queueing 2s because it's a more casual style of play rather than the "hard-core devotion" of 3v3. People just don't have a reason to queue 3v3 because it's 1: Dead, 2: More people queue 2s, 3: Care more about 2s because they suck in 3s Btw, the entire server is getting an overhaul, even the website is. Trust me, they'll come back. Bugs are being fixed daily, if you go check the fixed section in the Bug Reports forum. Staff are finally listening to what the community wants, not what Juster wants. If you look in the General Discussion, you'll see several "Changes" forums where Zeox asks the community about what changes should be made to make the server better. Basically, the server will get better, you just have to have patience. PS. Legion is trash - - - Updated - - - One more thing regarding this. Even if you kept the Gladiator titles for 2s, that wouldn't matter. 95% of everyone on this entire server is a casual that liked MoP, they're not here to get 2.8+ in 2v2 and push for Gladiator. Heck, 99% of all 2v2 players don't even make it to Challenger. So, removing the titles would just make it so all of the rank 1 players have to queue 3v3 in order to get rewards while the casuals stick to 2v2. Thus, still a healthy 2v2 bracket with a good incentive to queue 3v3 for the hardcore players.

My biggest problem is that taking away one title from 2s won't really make that much of a difference. Having a permanent title for 3s, to me, isn't worth the amount of work it takes to actually get it when I could get the title right under it in 2s with like 80% less work. You could have some reward at the end of the season for 2s just so there's a reason to queue it, but having one less title than 3s doesn't seem like it's that huge of a difference. Plus, how would you know the difference between a 2s hero or a 3s player if they both have rival title or something like that. It just would be 10x easier to get titles in 2s that it would be in 3s so it wouldn't make a huge difference. For example, I could get maybe 2.6k in 2s and get rival(or something) in about a week while it takes several weeks to get 2.4 in 3s and get rival(or something). I just think the people that always queue 2s(kagu, aku, etc.) will still only queue 2s since it's so much easier to get titles. I mean, look at it right now, the only reason people queue 2s is because it's less work to actually get rating which causes more people to queue 2s than 3s which in turn makes it even easier. It's a vicious cycle.

Agreed. Firestorm challenger is about 2k in 3s, 2.4 is gladiator, etc. However, most people don't even like queueing arenas unless they get titles so like last season, you had to be 2.8k+ for even challenger, I think that's just stupid. Arena titles are meant to encourage people to queue. Plus, the "Challenger" title is specifically designed to show others that you actually queue 3s. If 2.5k is challenger, that's just stupid imo, especially for 3s. Idk about this one, 2v2 wasn't ever meant to be a competitive bracket. It's 100% designed for gearing and learning your class/spec. Plus, Blizzard knew how unbalanced it was, that's why they disregarded it entirely. Plus, if you do allow this, the 2v2 heroes will still only queue 2s, there still won't be anyone paying attention to 3s, no one cares about the rank 1 titles, they just care about having a title in general. Plus, unless you're the top 1-12 in 3v3, it's pointless to even queue in the bracket. This is because you'd get the same title for being 13-whatever in 3s as you would being 1-12 in 2s. Taking away a single title from 2s, imo, won't make any difference tbh. One more thing, this is also regarding the 2v2 stuff. 2s was never designed for prestige+bonuses. The only prestige you need from 2v2 is achievements. Other than that, it should be disregarded. Just my opinion.

Okay, I think this goes for a lot of people but I'm going to say it anyway. I think Zeox should make it so only 3v3 matters for next season. Even just for one season to try it out and see how it goes. There's obviously some problems that might arise from this but it's nothing that can't be overcome. I want this thread to be a pros and cons list of why this server should or shouldn't only have 3v3 titles and achievements. I'll also have this: http://www.strawpoll.me/11420639 Where you can vote for it just to see where everyone is at regarding this. I myself only care about 3s because 2s is too fotm oriented. One pro of having only 3v3 is that a lot of the really good players that have quit this server will probably come back because good players only care about 3s. I, myself, am in no way a good player but I would come back in a heartbeat if this were to go through. I know a lot of others that would as well. 3v3 has a bigger variety of comps, a more coordinated gameplay setting, and just basically takes more skill than 2s. I would much rather play LSD into Shatter than play mw/war into hpr/mage all day. And, if this does go through, there'll be a lot more people wanting to do 3v3 tournaments and stuff like that. Anyway, let me know your thoughts on why or why not this should be done. Thanks for reading!

Is Roguetrainer the same as Magetrainer? Just wondering =)

First make it so only 3s matter, then focus on bugs. Fixing bugs isn't going to help anything if people are still queueing boring 2s. I'd rather have a somewhat buggy 3v3 bracket than a perfectly unbugged but unbalanced 2v2 bracket.

Once again, 3s should be the only bracket that you get titles. 2s has never been and never will be balanced. And, regarding the wintraders, wouldn't more people queueing more often be easier to distinguish a wintrader from an actually good player? Wintrading is pretty obvious, if they have more than 100 wins and less than 10 losses, it's definitely a wintrade at this point as first of all, the only teams that queue are either rank 1 or there's no queues at all. Also, nobody has proof of them actually winning a 3s game, and nobody has ever fought them in a 3s game. I would contact the players with 100+ - 10- win/loss and ask them to provide some sort of proof regarding their unnaturally good rating. If they can't, I ban them and reset their rating. Problem solved. Note: I don't care how good you are, you don't go 130-3 in 3s on a private server that has been known to be buggy, especially in arenas.

Zeox said that he's going to make logs on the new website so you can see who the player is going against. However, like on Firestorm, I suspect all the person has to do is leave with their other chars and the logs won't show the games but there might be a fix around this which would be good.

I know I'm a bit late but I have wanted this since I first discovered PandaWoW. PaymentWall being able to use PayPal. I, myself, an unable to buy bonuses any other way as my bank blocks PaymentWall due to suspected fraud. However, if I use PayPal, it works just fine. Just a thought, probably not going to be implemented however would love to see it at some point. Thanks for reading. Setfenv, twitch.tv/setfenv

Can't this server pull a Firestorm and just make it so only 3v3 gives titles and mounts. You have no idea how happy I'd be.

@Zeox, Greetings, you probably don't know me but I, including a lot of others I'm sure, are very excited to see what's up and coming for PandaWoW. We really appreciate the extra effort you've put in after the drought of things on this server. It's been a long time since I've seen real things happening here. Anyway, just a small token of my gratitude and because of this, I will be returning to PandaWoW and I hope others do as well. You've made more progress in the last few months than the entire server has the past few years so kudos. Hope you read this and know that I'm sure all of us are very excited and appreciative of what you have to offer us. Thank you. PS. Not sarcasm, I am honestly excited to see this server actually go through changes.

lol, isn't nearly every r1 mage/priest the same people? It's not like 18 different players are getting rank 1. I've seen Aku and Kagu asking people if they want free rank 1 title on their chars because they're bored af. Not defending them because the comp is pretty retarded, but seriously.