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Current State of Pandawow (without the video)


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Had to remake this thread as the last one got deleted without a reason (had to PM a moderator. Apparently I was mocking the server).

 

Please do not lock or delete this thread again.

 

What's the point of having a General Discussion section if you can't discuss? We're giving constructive criticism not destructive.

 

Current State of Pandawow:

 

If you want to watch the video version, please check this out (first video) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7zeQ38KPbQsakUpAjQcryQ

 

Hello guys. Repitchx here and today I just want to explain how I feel about the Server and the staff.

 

I want a clean nice discussion thread, that's all I want.

 

This server is 3 years old now. You guys have improved so much since then, actaully unbelieveable to see the progression. But quite frankly, lately I must say that I see lack of communication between the Administrators and the players.

 

I'm of course talking about the small simple things like arena titles, bug fixes, lack of updates/information, silly rules that people take advantage of etc.

 

Titles:

 

[spoiler=Talking about titles]Yes titles. I know I know. This doesn't change anything. It won't improve the gameplay, won't affect anything. That's not the issue. The issue is that Juster said in January that he would give the titles end of that month.

 

No one received their titles. So we made a new thread about titles and it got instantly closed for no reason. That was in April. We're not in May and still no arena titles. Isn't that really weird? We're 1 or 2 months from the new season and people haven't received their titles from last season.

 

Another 5.4.8 server only took them 2 hours to hand them out after the new season. Why can't Pandawow do the same?

 

Enough about titles. That's not the focus of this thread is.

 

 

Bug Reports/cross-realm lag/dc:

 

[spoiler=Difference between 2014 and 2016 Pandawow]Do you guys remember back in 2k14/2k15 when they fixed Fingers of Frost the 25% dmg increase? Mirror Images breaking stealth? Starfall breaking stealth? Gateway in cc? PvE gear not scaling down? Remember when lynx rush 1 shotted people? Arena frames? Let's not talk about buff stacking... Remember those bugs?

 

THEY ALL GOT FIXED! It was so amazing by the devs. They fixed so many good bugs and It made everyone so happy once they fixed them.

 

What happend to you guys? Look at the current bug fixes. 2016 bug fixes

 

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=173819

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=124832 (which bugged it out, overscaling I'd assume)

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=168783

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=178121

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=38059

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=176330

 

and the list goes on.

 

The cross-realm is also unplayable most of the time. Whole cross-realm is laggy for at least 1-5 hours a day and it's completely random. People teleport in arena and most of the time when you lag you will get DC'd too. It's just not playable and it's just sad. :(

 

 

Important bugs are still not fixed

 

[spoiler=Important bugs are still here. Here's a list]

 

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=177083

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=155976

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=158387

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=178264

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=167136

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=158598&highlight=demon+training

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=147819

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=159590

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=179575

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=179239

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=165186

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=154123

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=156510

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=156362

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=154985

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=156341

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=138231

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=156641

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=165311

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=176697

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=142888

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=114638

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=176991

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=168687

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=170899

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=147266

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=165655

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=169130

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=166980

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=176605

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=161474

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=177247

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=166551

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=177321 (pathfinding)

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=169396

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=168890

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=168044

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=167222 (this is actually important in a rogue comp)

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=171373 (can't sap any1)

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=165810 (huge cause it causes people to waste globals on dispelling stuff that u shouldn't even need to dispel)

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=162781

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=158010

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=173220

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=89336 (it absorbs 250k now. on retail it was 480-500k-ish

1:24)

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=170043

 

Maybe not all of them are as important, but all of them are at least 7/10+

 

 

 

Forum rules and moderators:

 

[spoiler=Little bit about Pandawow Mods and rules]I'm not here to insult you guys. I'm here to give you guys constructive criticism.

You guys don't abuse your power. If you really think about it you don't. It's just the 2.2 rule that takes away the fun.

2.2. It is forbidden to use obscene speech or rude expressions (including veiled form).

 

with this rule you can mute/ban everyone whenever they say a bad word. I called someone rat and I got banned for 5 days or 7 days (can't remember)

I got banned for saying 'fuck', 'retarded', 'cyka' etc. You can't have any fun on this server.

 

It's kinda like being in a church 24/7. You're not allowed to cuss at all. On retail or any other server they wouldn't care.

If you insulted the staff by saying something like "you're fucking retarded" then I could totally understand if you get banned. But if you just say "haha fuck you XD :D" as being sarcastic, you'd still get banned.

 

People take advantage of this rule and it needs to be changed or removed.

 

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about: http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=180155

 

- https://gyazo.com/26c77ae605b797c2395eec189c436eee

 

Luckily he didn't get punished for that.

 

He got reported for saying "About closing threads, it's just modes abusing their powers, they're not professional at all, they know nothing about moderating stuff here "

 

Licher follows me in-game when I stream. That's fine I don't care about that. What I do care about is that he follows me until I cuss and mutes me.

I said "FUCK OFF LOL" and I got muted for 2 hours. I was really shocked. Didn't mean that much to me cause I unmuted myself. Then I explained it in-game to my friends and said "LOL! I GOT MUTED FOR SAYING FUCK OFF LOL. THAT'S RETARDED XDDD :D" and what happend? 4 hours mute insta. I can't do anything.

 

That's what makes people mad and annoyed and that's the reason why people are having a really hard time taking pandawow staff serious.

 

Why not just simply talk to the staff? Change the rule. Muting someone for saying the word 'fuck' in-game makes really no sense.

 

That's very unprofessional and childish in my book.

 

It honestly feels like the staff no longer can take jokes and just want to punish people they don't like.

 

 

Staff activity:

 

[spoiler=Truth about Pandawow]With this I mainly mean Juster and Zeox. They're barely online anymore. Juster used to logon almost everyday to see how the server was going.

 

Suddenly now he's only active on WoDempire. Why focus on a WoD server when your MoP server is still not completed? Wouldn't it be more fun and enjoyable for everyone knowing you have a fully working MoP server?

 

Juster. You used to be the guy I could PM for bug fixes. You used to be the guy I could really trust. You used to be the guy I could hand over my bug list report with important bugs.

 

Now I just feel like I get smacked as soon as I open my mouth talking about bugs. It's like you guys are trying to sweep the bugs under the carpet.

 

On your website and forum it may look bug-free cause people haven't tried the server. But as soon as they try the server they will notice something fishy is going on.

 

I'm not insulting you guys, I'm just trying to tell you the truth!

 

 

 

I really hope you mods won't close this thread instantly like you normally do. Please do not troll in this thread. Don't go off-topic!

 

Also I advertised through Twitch, Youtube & tournaments:

 

[spoiler=I advertised through Twitch, Youtube & tournaments]

 

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=163957

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=163956

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=163679

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=165743

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=160711

 

 

[spoiler=Suggestions I've made (proves I really care for the server)]

 

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=152627

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=152349

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=152338

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=152210

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=150363

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=140457

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=138233

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=138258

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=138019

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=137756

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=136441

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=126276

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=122867

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=122014

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=114886

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=99882

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=98978

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=177000

 

 

[spoiler=Bugs I've made (some of them very old and still bugged. Some of them fixed)]

 

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=180840

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=174611

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=91966

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=156642

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=152211

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=176997

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=161629

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=176991

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=176697

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=176999

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=179239

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=176494

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=174508

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=171373

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=170548

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=172284

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=173200

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=173198

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=173017

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=160301

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=161433

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=156641

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=168687

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=91887

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=91885

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=93669

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=92106

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=93159

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=102795

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=102838

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=100977

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=93238

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=100976

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=115488

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=115475

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=103826

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=121567

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=121568

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=121686

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=122039

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=122098

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=120559

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=122862

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=122879

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=122866

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=125336

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=126273

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=126390

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=128382

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=130863

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=138231

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=138310

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=138657

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=136747

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=100978

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=97401

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=122178

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=130546

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=121734

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=136327

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=132766

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=121695

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=137302

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=138309

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=131892

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=140419

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=137070

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=140585

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=136656

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=121735

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=124831

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=125555

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=121733

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=92663

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=157734

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=158010

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=158014

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=158011

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=152074

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=152327

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=122868

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=138308

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=151772

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=140081

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=158011

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=160301

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=161433

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=161866

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=162477

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=161867

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=162557

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=162781

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=163210

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=168378

 

 

Listen, Juster. I know you do fix bugs on Wodempire. But the thing is that WoD is a dying project. No one likes it. That's the reason why Blizzard is constantly losing subs

You fix quests, bosses, PvE stuff, loot etc for x100. That's great for them. But what about PvP? You used to care a lot about us back in 2014/2015.

 

This picture speaks for itself:

 

http://www.gold4fans.com/media/wysiwyg/wow.jpg

You've completely changed lately and it really hurts to see that.

 

 

[spoiler=Juster 2014-2015 You used to reply to us in a very friendly way. You always gave us updates. You told us when you were updating the server, when you/staff went away, you told us everything!]

 

https://gyazo.com/d0ce174cd185eca48123737f9a3a8f28

https://gyazo.com/6468724b89233cac1d895fc525cbd0b4

https://gyazo.com/f33eb9a102b7ad9768fc3029d02ff16c

https://gyazo.com/dffa2f24ca4c6a5581f440c8d753d2ea

https://gyazo.com/0cc50e477238262486e89d51e2f45977

https://gyazo.com/70f3acec944a28f3b1a60d55e065ab6b

https://gyazo.com/7aa23595c4237908f6e796319e727229

 

 

 

[spoiler=Juster 2016 Now you either have your moderators close every thread or respond to us in a very harsh unfriendly way, maybe you reply to us once a month. Where have you gone? :(]

 

https://gyazo.com/5a656f14f6594828bd4794e56e7f426f

https://gyazo.com/b84b99eea8d626d158a20240b95dfcb3

https://gyazo.com/36e67c3a3dffd507df145dcdb01b4cb8

https://gyazo.com/90828c5f1ccbe9cf4d27ed01124d3b47

https://gyazo.com/faa7cd2aa3ae214ac5f3197dfd255c91

https://gyazo.com/e51b5c95c8f496a226a3eb60f94de878

https://gyazo.com/d5513ab6386a32b8abdbd3e6641dcfde

https://gyazo.com/eeb00562694cb8265370fa0ea0023c69

https://gyazo.com/592df314158e79d9e00f92f2afa85d57

https://gyazo.com/a7c804727287cee58ae9d9bddfb4d16a

https://gyazo.com/339170f40ff7932022f86e5edefaf610

https://gyazo.com/e99b1eeb6bfeb68694205472be3e5cbb

https://gyazo.com/bcb9ae8ee45faa6e365deba10bf41c7b

https://gyazo.com/76d836b2ab2818103359a9c4a4e122a4

https://gyazo.com/960f0fcdb381d22ea8e231ef49c52c22

 

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Dat moment when you take a good lock at bug fixes repitch prioritized and realise they are 70% rogues, 20% general, and 10% other classes. Come on repitch, remove all those useless rogue bugs and focus on other classes.
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Dat moment when you take a good lock at bug fixes repitch prioritized and realise they are 70% rogues, 20% general, and 10% other classes. Come on repitch, remove all those useless rogue bugs and focus on other classes.

 

what lol? 4 rogue bugs and that's 70% of the bugs suddenly? did you even check all of my reports? 5th one with blind is not only for rogues, it goes for every class. Dragon's Breath, roar from Druid, Scatter Shot, and Fear. List goes on.

 

do research before you say something like that... -,-

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what lol? 4 rogue bugs and that's 70% of the bugs suddenly? did you even check all of my reports? 5th one with blind is not only for rogues, it goes for every class. Dragon's Breath, roar from Druid, Scatter Shot, and Fear. List goes on.

 

do research before you say something like that... -,-

 

If you ignore the sap/invis, and ele totem/sap, u added like 5 or 6 others and quite a few of them are really not major and are unimportant. That's not the point 'tho.

 

I dont see death knights appear anywhere in those bug lists, or bm hunters, 'nor paladins. Add something important for those classes as well and remove some unecessary ones.

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If you ignore the sap/invis, and ele totem/sap, u added like 5 or 6 others and quite a few of them are really not major and are unimportant. That's not the point 'tho.

 

I dont see death knights appear anywhere in those bug lists, or bm hunters, 'nor paladins. Add something important for those classes as well and remove some unecessary ones.

 

Cuase there are no reports on palas, hunters and dks that i know of. and i dont even know if theyre bugged. they dont remove old reports. when i see something from 2014 and 2015 it makes me wonder if its still bugged or fixed, cause most of the bugs in there are not critical at all xD

 

sap/invis isn't like 10/10, but against mage teams its pretty important to make sure you land the opener

totem/sap shouldnt even be a question xD. thats pretty silly of you to even question

 

link me a report about bm hunters, cause you'll find none. lol

 

palas? i reported 1-2, unless i forgot to add them to this report cause my first thread had more reports, but i was just lazy to find them all.

 

Just link me some bugs then. I went over all sections and all I found was people qqing about hunter damage was bugged, pala section was completely empty with silly non-crucial bugs, dk section? no idea about dk bugs. the one i knew was bugged was reaping souls, but that got fixed instantly.

 

so just link me the reports. (im not counting russian section)

 

so you're wrong about 70% rogue bugs and 20% of that and 10% of that.... lol

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Paladins: http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=145367 (its russian, but u can use google translator to understand). This was bugged for a while.

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=140115

 

Death Knights:

DK rune system

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=118436

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=160893

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=168567

 

Warlocks:

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=167136

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=158598&highlight=demon+training

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=147819

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=159590

 

Priests:

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=138534

 

Rogues:

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=116807 (this one could be useful for combat lovers)

 

And ur right about bm hunters. I thought someone would've reported something by now, apparently it isn't. Another thing you could do is sort these bugs out.

 

Like General bugs:

 

Druid:

 

etc, etc. U did that before, it could be easier for them so sort them out if they check it at all. It could be easier for all people to see what bugs did u add for their class, so they would know what to tell u to add if u haven't cause going through all of this is bs, lol. :p U could do that.

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They wont fix anything ...RIP:dance:

 

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I agree with every word you saying man but I don't know why you guys trying so much.I mean devs and Juster got eyes and they can check bug tracker whenever they want if they really want they will fix major bugs, if they don't simply they will keep fixing minor bugs

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Paladins: http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=145367 (its russian, but u can use google translator to understand). This was bugged for a while.

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=140115

 

Death Knights:

DK rune system

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=118436

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=160893

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=168567

 

Warlocks:

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=167136

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=158598&highlight=demon+training

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=147819

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=159590

 

Priests:

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=138534

 

Rogues:

http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=116807 (this one could be useful for combat lovers)

 

And ur right about bm hunters. I thought someone would've reported something by now, apparently it isn't. Another thing you could do is sort these bugs out.

 

Like General bugs:

 

Druid:

 

etc, etc. U did that before, it could be easier for them so sort them out if they check it at all. It could be easier for all people to see what bugs did u add for their class, so they would know what to tell u to add if u haven't cause going through all of this is bs, lol. :p U could do that.

 

? dont get the first report

 

dont get the first dk bug

2nd is added

3rd is like 4/10... its a stupid root. as dk you always played a comp with someone who had a root/slow xD

 

and lock bugs i kinda figured you only wanted demo bugs... but ill add them cause theyre critical for your spec

 

priest bugs:

 

That's fixed already lol.

 

As I said. That's why you normally cant go back in bug section and find old reports cause you dont know if they're fixed or not.

 

Combat isnt even played on this server, you will never see people queue it on high rating or even close to it. Only casuals with use it.

 

I also told you I didn't go into the russian section.

 

Yeah I made different class section so it would be easier for them, but it really doesn't matter

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? dont get the first report

 

dont get the first dk bug

2nd is added

3rd is like 4/10... its a stupid root. as dk you always played a comp with someone who had a root/slow xD

 

and lock bugs i kinda figured you only wanted demo bugs... but ill add them cause theyre critical for your spec

 

priest bugs:

 

That's fixed already lol.

 

As I said. That's why you normally cant go back in bug section and find old reports cause you dont know if they're fixed or not.

 

Combat isnt even played on this server, you will never see people queue it on high rating or even close to it. Only casuals with use it.

 

I also told you I didn't go into the russian section.

 

Yeah I made different class section so it would be easier for them, but it really doesn't matter

 

Demon Training (all specs)

Unbound Will (all specs)

The only bug for demo I added was demonic leap/hellfire, I believe. Its 2 out of billion bugs that the spec has and they're cruical to survival of this spec. (You can remove them for all I care; if you feel like they're less important. But I was asked by other demo guildies to ask you to put it on list, just remember. :p)

 

There is a reason however why no one plays combat & demo 'tho. They weren't so played on retail either, but u did see combat rogues in bgs, or sometimes even in arenas (good example Woundman 2950 combat rog in s15). The reason no one at all plays them here is not bcs they're garbage, its because they're hella broken. So, why not fix them? They're just as important as other specs because they are good in PvE and lil' bit PvP. Now, you can bring in the argument that PvE here isn't importanrt, but remember there are still people who PvE on this server, so... it is useful for their part and our part. Hope you understand.

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Demon Training (all specs)

Unbound Will (all specs)

The only bug for demo I added was demonic leap/hellfire, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong 'tho.

 

There is a reason however why no one plays combat & demo 'tho. They weren't so played on retail either, but u did see combat rogues in bgs, or sometimes even in arenas (good example Woundman 2950 combat rog in s15). The reason no one at all plays them here is not bcs they're garbage, its because they're hella broken. So, why not fix them? They're just as important as other specs because they are good in PvE and lil' bit PvP. Now, you can bring in the argument that PvE here isn't importanrt, but remember there are still people who PvE on this server, so... it is useful for their part and our part. Hope you understand.

 

you only play demon training as demo so...

 

and you're wrong. combat rogues are gonna be useless even if they fix them. reason why is cause the damage on this server ruins them. you wont see them on high rating lol. you had 1-2 combat rogues in s15. you have 1-2 rogues in the current ladder (not like any1 plays) or like the last 2-3 seasons there's only been 1 rogue on high rating, who was it? me

 

its rare to see a rogue on the ladder on pandawow and its a sub rogue, you wont see a combat rogue, like never.

 

you wont see 1 combat rogue on high rating. its pointless. it's not important at all. it'll be fixed eventually, but its not 10/10

 

and dude. screw pve. they've only done pve fixes lately, so thats irrelevant tbh.

 

they should focus on pvp more, hence the topic.

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you only play demon training as demo so...

 

and you're wrong. combat rogues are gonna be useless even if they fix them. reason why is cause the damage on this server ruins them. you wont see them on high rating lol. you had 1-2 combat rogues in s15. you have 1-2 rogues in the current ladder (not like any1 plays) or like the last 2-3 seasons there's only been 1 rogue on high rating, who was it? me

 

its rare to see a rogue on the ladder on pandawow and its a sub rogue, you wont see a combat rogue, like never.

 

you wont see 1 combat rogue on high rating. its pointless. it's not important at all. it'll be fixed eventually, but its not 10/10

 

and dude. screw pve. they've only done pve fixes lately, so thats irrelevant tbh.

 

they should focus on pvp more, hence the topic.

 

yeah, lol, my bad for mentioning pve, but u forgot to read edited part of my message. u responded too fast and probably missed it.

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