Slam Damage

[Garodar]

The damage is correct. Someone close the thread.

 

 

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Info:

 

Weapon Damage: 13110, 19666

PvP Power: 34.62%

Resilience: 80.00%

Enemy Armor: 27.82%

Seasoned Soldier: +25% damage bonus

Seasoned Soldier (changelog)

Slam Damage Results:

 

Min: 53862

 

Max: 72157

 

Proofs: http://i.imgur.com/1GsnVSI.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Ep8hKKX.jpg

 

On players:

 

Min: 12939

 

Max: 16984

 

Proofs: http://i.imgur.com/lKDSyKK.jpg http://i.imgur.com/NAOZuzP.jpg

 

Formula:

 

275% weapon damage plus 3427

 

Minimum Damage:

 

Base weapon damage + (Weapon speed * Attack Power / 14)

13110 + (3.3 * 23972 / 14)

18760

 

18760 * 2.75 + 3427 = 55017

55017 * 1.25 = 68771

 

Maximum Damage:

19666 + (3.3 + 23972 / 14)

25316

 

25315 * 2.75 + 3427 = 73046

73046 * 1.25 = 91307

PvP Damage:

 

55017 - 80.00% = 11003

91307 - 80.00% = 18261

 

11003 - 27.82% = 7941

18614 - 27.82% = 13181

 

7941 + 34.62% = 10690

13436 + 34.62% = 17744

 

The damage it is doing now on players: 12939, 16984

 

The damage it should do on players: 10690, 17744

 

Edited July 8, 2016 by Garodar

[Jonte]

What's wrong with a 12k and 16k slam on a target with same gear as you?

[Adlairo]

  Jonte said:

What's wrong with a 12k and 16k slam on a target with same gear as you?

 

The damage difference in percentages? If it persists then it's a 25% dmg increase on slam, now what's wrong with that? Oh wait, everything.

[Jonte]

  Adlairo said:

The damage difference in percentages?

 

And where exactly did you get that from

[Garodar]

  Jonte said:

And where exactly did you get that from

 

What's wrong with it? Calculations indicate damage should be lower, did u even check it? I had no procs, no buffs, no gems, enchants, or anything and therefore calculations were precise and they say damage is higher than it should be.

[Jonte]

  Garodar said:

did u even check it?

 

Nope, not untill now, the "Show more" feature didn't appear earlier, so I didn't see any calculations.

[Garodar]

  Jonte said:

Nope, not untill now, the "Show more" feature didn't appear earlier, so I didn't see any calculations.

 

Ok. Now, u know. :)

[markzxy3]

Sorry that ive to be that one who tells you that but we already tested desperatly every warrior formular. Theres an old slam report where you can see its working as intended. The only question who was left is if seasoned soldier should affect it or not. Couldnt find a source which proofs smth else.

 

Nvm its fine, seasoned soldier is already applied in the nornalized weapon dmg

 

I can maybe upload a proper calculation when im at home. Just wait.

Edited June 3, 2016 by markzxy3

[Garodar]

  markzxy3 said:

Sorry that ive to be that one who tells you that but we already tested desperatly every warrior formular. Theres an old slam report where you can see its working as intended. The only question who was left is if seasoned soldier should affect it or not. Couldnt find a source which proofs smth else.

 

Not really. The old formula tests Furmetal did were accurate, but he locked them under the lines of "resilience is bugged" and resilience was only 0,11% buff, therefore it was not causing the extra 5k damage, but he closed it anyway. Like, I said, until I'm actually disproved from my calculations, I would like this to stand here and we'll see what happens. If the math is correct, then Slam damage is bugged and should be fixed. If not, then they can just lock the thread.

[dotadoom]

invalid report.

This guy is either noob, troll or a retard

  \ said:

Weapon Damage: 13110' date=' 19666[/quote']

Those are just S14's weapon default stats and you cannot use them as a base for your maths.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_power is what is missing.

Judging by your logic all fighter classes will be OP

 

PS http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Normalization

[markzxy3]

Garodar don't think i want to defend wars since last time repitch started a thread like this i was calculating for like 3-4 hours just to figure out how based_weapon_damage gets calculated etc. etc. etc. At the end i had like 50 numbers which i had to combine and guess what, not 1 mistake found. It must be something deeper. My guess is that it's something that affects EVERY melee class. We know that DK, Warrior, yes even RET, enhance, rogue ( ok rogue only sometimes doing weird crits), windwalker is doing way too much damage. It's just something that affects melees somehow. Something completly hidden and deep. S15 was supposed to be a Caster season not like here on pandawow where everyone with a melee in a team wins.

[Garodar]

  markzxy3 said:

Garodar don't think i want to defend wars since last time repitch started a thread like this i was calculating for like 3-4 hours just to figure out how based_weapon_damage gets calculated etc. etc. etc. At the end i had like 50 numbers which i had to combine and guess what, not 1 mistake found. It must be something deeper. My guess is that it's something that affects EVERY melee class. We know that DK, Warrior, yes even RET, enhance, rogue ( ok rogue only sometimes doing weird crits), windwalker is doing way too much damage. It's just something that affects melees somehow. Something completly hidden and deep. S15 was supposed to be a Caster season not like here on pandawow where everyone with a melee in a team wins.

 

If the damage u get from calculations points towards your current damage on tests being correct, how is it OP then? Formula results = your damage doesn't make it valid then. I mean, you said its op, so I dont quite understand. Calculations should give u smaller numbers in order to assume something is wrong with the ability. Basically, I tested with normalization formulas for PvE targets and with my old (current) calculations and PvE damage is correct, which means there's somethin wrong with damage in PvP. I dont know what is it, but all I know is that its not Slam, but something else and I can't figure it out and it actually affects LITERALLY every ability. I'll keep looking 'tho.

Edited June 3, 2016 by Garodar

[Neff]

Whats wrong with your calculations: you forget about attack power. It affects abilities that deals % of weapon damage too. Formula:

  Quote

normalized_damage = base_weapon_damage + (X * Attack Power / 14)

where X is:

3.3 for two-handed weapons

Many abilities uses a normalized damage. Source: http://wow.gamepedia.com/Normalization

 

For example, if we have 13110 - 19666 weapon damage and 30000 attack power:

Minimum damage will be: 13110 + (3.3 * 30000 / 14) = 20181

Maximum damage will be: 19666 + (3.3 * 30000 / 14) = 26737

 

And then we can add slam % damage + base damage, all modifiers like seasoned soldier, pvp power, resilience and etc.

 

The same with http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=183367

[markzxy3]

  Neff said:

Whats wrong with your calculations: you forget about attack power. It affects abilities that deals % of weapon damage too. Formula:

 

Many abilities uses a normalized damage. Source: http://wow.gamepedia.com/Normalization

 

For example, if we have 13110 - 19666 weapon damage and 30000 attack power:

Minimum damage will be: 13110 + (3.3 * 30000 / 14) = 20181

Maximum damage will be: 19666 + (3.3 * 30000 / 14) = 26737

 

And then we can add slam % damage + base damage, all modifiers like seasoned soldier, pvp power, resilience and etc.

 

The same with http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=183367

 

Are you sure that AP should get applied twice ? Pretty sure if Attack power is already applied in the weapon_damage formular it should not get applied twice. Same goes for Seasoned soldier (But that's working as intended = only once applied)

 

I mean as we can see it's Normalized Weapon Damage, means that we already get the Attack power in our weapon damage formular. Normalized weapon damage is always the damage you see in the tab "melee" when you open your character pannel by "Damage"

 

EDIT :

 

My bad, you have to calculate with these stats :

 

 

not with the stats you see on your weapon. So damage should be fine and working as intended. I mean yeah not fine but the formular is properly working here.

Edited June 3, 2016 by markzxy3

[Neff]

  Quote

Are you sure that AP should get applied twice ?

Weapon damage is not a damage in your stats. Its a damage that you have on your weapon. For example, Prideful Gladiator's Greatsword

As we can see, 550 ilvl pvp weapon gives us 18623 - 34585 damage. So, this numbers we should paste in formula and then add a damage from attack power.

[Garodar]

  Neff said:

Weapon damage is not a damage in your stats. Its a damage that you have on your weapon. For example, Prideful Gladiator's Greatsword

As we can see, 550 ilvl pvp weapon gives us 18623 - 34585 damage. So, this numbers we should paste in formula and then add a damage from attack power.

 

All that would be fine if someone could find out where is the extra damage coming from, if it even exists in the 1st place.

[Autschbatsch]

  \ said:

This guy is either noob' date=' troll or a retard[/quote']

you seem offended that people are questioning warrior dmg

 

*warrior detected

http://i.imgur.com/MoAQjf7.gif

Edited June 3, 2016 by Autschbatsch

[dotadoom]

  Autschbatsch said:

you seem offended that people are questioning warrior dmg

 

*warrior detected

http://i.imgur.com/MoAQjf7.gif

 

nope, I just hate invalid reports. Especially when they come from someone who is trying to prove his point with made-up formulas even though he's got no clue about wow's mechanics or math in general

[Garodar]

  dotadoom said:

nope, I just hate invalid reports. Especially when they come from someone who is trying to prove his point with made-up formulas even though he's got no clue about wow's mechanics or math in general

 

Did it ever occur to you to go in thread, type in comments "Sorry, m8, ur formula is invalid, u made mistake on X spot" instead of "look fckin retard, its incorrect" like u usually do. Try working on your atittude more.

Edited June 3, 2016 by Garodar

[dotadoom]

  Garodar said:

Did it ever occur to you to go in thread, type in comments "Sorry, m8, ur formula is invalid, u made mistake on X spot" instead of "look fckin retard, its incorrect" like u usually do. Try working on your atittude more.

 

Appolagies and nothing persoonal mate. My reaction was kinda childish. I remember there used to be a couple of other forum users who were quite frequently reporting bugs with "mathematical" proof that were always wrong. I even lost hours trying to explain them where they get it wrong but I relized it's not worth it. My point is the staff already has shitload of valid bugs to fix. There's no need to fool them with wrong ones

[markzxy3]

test my signature.

[Deielrion]

  markzxy3 said:

test my signature.

 

takaa said the same thing to me...

in fact, he thought i was you cause I started raging as well lol

[ЛОЛ ЧТА]

Боже, сколько можно писать ложные репорты, при этом ни имея никакого знания класса и умения вычислять что-либо, самому-то не смешно? Небось сам не играл в s15, судя по написанному бреду ТСа, тот же Blaston приводил пример того, что домаг у варов на Pandaшош соответствует домагу в S15.

[Repitchx]

  ЛОЛ ЧТА? said:

Боже, сколько можно писать ложные репорты, при этом ни имея никакого знания класса и умения вычислять что-либо, самому-то не смешно? Небось сам не играл в s15, судя по написанному бреду ТСа, тот же Blaston приводил пример того, что домаг у варов на Pandaшош соответствует домагу в S15.

 

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[Nsp70rus]

  Repitchx said:

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Asian_308d35_2430810.gif

 

It's me.