Setfenv Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Just wondering. MM was miles better than Survival back on retail(maybe not miles, but it was technically better), why does every hunter here play Survival? Is it Explosive Shot dps? Constant Pressure? Etc.? Just wondering, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felxprod Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 MM nerfed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telpin Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Is it Explosive Shot dps? ye, this shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemifest Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 ye, this shit Fixed. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flow Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 The problem i noticed is survival has a lot more burst than it should it has more consistent dmg and burst than a MM hunter Survival was really good in comps like HLS cuz it had consistent dmg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garodar Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Just wondering. MM was miles better than Survival back on retail(maybe not miles, but it was technically better), why does every hunter here play Survival? Is it Explosive Shot dps? Constant Pressure? Etc.? Just wondering, thanks. Its easier... MM is still good, but constant pressure without having to burst seems alot easier for autists that play hunter on pwow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faina Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 in the end of s15 you could see much more surv than in the beginning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setfenv Posted December 29, 2016 Author Share Posted December 29, 2016 Yeah but I just feel like there's so many flaws to Survival that aren't present in MM. For example, it doesn't take 5 buttons to put out maximum pressure as an MM hunter(arcane shot and steady shot with occasional aimed shot and chimera), while it takes Black Arrow(dispellable), Serpent Sting, Explosive Shot, Arcane Shot, and Cobra Shot just to put out pressure. Meanwhile a good healer will spam dispel Black Arrow(which doesn't do much but is still annoying as a hunter) while no healer even thinks about serpent sting from MM. Plus, you have a blanket silence as MM, and everything else is the same. It just seems like MM should be much better than Survival but I guess if Survival is easier than go 4 it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hjorhji San Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 cause its harder for ghramostean to sync than to play surv. kappa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faina Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Meanwhile a good healer will spam dispel Black Arrow i often wouldnt dispel black arr b/c it will trigger internal cooldown on explosive proc = no dmg when im getting trapped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegartko Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Even on retail survival was better for 2s (heal/dps comps). Hitdown is the only hunter who plays with a ret on high rating so this is why he is MM (silencing shot and timed burst with 100k + arcanes lol!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noneedholy Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 MM was miles better than Survival nop wasn't Survival was way better in 2s and 3s if i remember right http://web.archive.org/web/20140920190646/http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/leaderboards/3v3 Think all those MM's player KFC ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flow Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 im pretty sure mm was better in 3s the only real comp survival played was survival HLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setfenv Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 nop wasn't Survival was way better in 2s and 3s if i remember right http://web.archive.org/web/20140920190646/http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/leaderboards/3v3 Think all those MM's player KFC ? Idk, I really don't see evidence to support Survival being any better than MM outside of dot-pressure comps like HLS. MM has way too many utilities and such easy but powerful burst potential meanwhile Survival takes a lot more to actually get pressure out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repitchx Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 think of it like this survival was for rotting people down and it had consistant pressure. perfect for hls mm was more about the demanded burst. this was perfect for kfc, thug, ph/x, beast cleave etc however, you could play survival in thug as well. i remember seeing foxyo (think it was him) farming minpojke's lsd as survival thug with para poison. all they did was training him, ik, weird. worked though for them. both specs are really really good, it all comes down to what comp you play. mm for double dps, just more burst and you have chimera heal which is nice. its just basic logic if you think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flow Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Yes completetly agree but survival has a lot stronger burst than MM here like not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repitchx Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Yes completetly agree but survival has a lot stronger burst than MM here like not even close. you think 45-50k ticks with burst is huge? hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noneedholy Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 MM burst is like on retail here... just huge compared to survival. Survival just became more popular (thats why u see alot of survivals in the ladder ) Because people realised how strong is it to just play damp combs (HLS) since it can be as much aids as lsd or even more (From my priest PoV) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adlairo Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 well i doubt that survival thug would always beat LSD, i guess it can work quite well tho, altho nobody farmed that LSD MM was better vs casters cuz of the blanket silence so they could do good setups (say covering traps vs dps shaman teams) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repitchx Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 well i doubt that survival thug would always beat LSD, i guess it can work quite well tho, altho nobody farmed that LSD MM was better vs casters cuz of the blanket silence so they could do good setups (say covering traps vs dps shaman teams) they did 4-0, but then they didnt que anymore xD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garodar Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Both surv/mm are literally same in terms of popularity in season 15. Only BM was dog spec... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repitchx Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Both surv/mm are literally same in terms of popularity in season 15. Only BM was dog spec... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garodar Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tOHfXsuCi2A/UAR-aWhhiHI/AAAAAAAADds/GEPBcd-ogfU/s1600/roflmfao.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setfenv Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 think of it like this survival was for rotting people down and it had consistant pressure. perfect for hls mm was more about the demanded burst. this was perfect for kfc, thug, ph/x, beast cleave etc however, you could play survival in thug as well. i remember seeing foxyo (think it was him) farming minpojke's lsd as survival thug with para poison. all they did was training him, ik, weird. worked though for them. both specs are really really good, it all comes down to what comp you play. mm for double dps, just more burst and you have chimera heal which is nice. its just basic logic if you think about it. Yeah, I guess in comps like hunter/healer a rot comp is much better(at least on pwow, not sure about retail) but I mean if you look at the US ladders at October 13th, 2014, every hunter was MM. Tony, Tosan, Glinks, Dilly, Dhorothy, etc. Evidence: http://web.archive.org/web/20141013101831/http://us.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/leaderboards/3v3 Every single hunter on the first page was MM. But, like Noneed said, Survival was pretty prevalent on EU http://web.archive.org/web/20140920190646/http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/leaderboards/3v3. Not sure why this is but I thought it was interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repitchx Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Well, you know dilly played a lot of kfc? Tony with beast cleave Tosan kfc and some other comps Glinks with beast cleave as well Dhorthy not sure, but i'd guess some of the same comps. So if they play mm, ofc its one of those comps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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