Repitchx Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 It's not related to Vanish. There are 2 cases. 1) General invisibility mechanic. 2) Ping issues, that mage has seen a rogue after he vanish. I mean, I told you what's up at least, is there something more you need to know?
Administrators Zeox Posted July 23, 2017 Administrators Posted July 23, 2017 I mean' date=' I told you what's up at least, is there something more you need to know?[/quote'] No, I'm going to fix an issue that you can avoid any spells with Vanish like Shadowmeld.
Repitchx Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 No, I'm going to fix an issue that you can avoid any spells with Vanish like Shadowmeld. ah ok, anything about the stealth detection at least later? and like shadowmeld? you should be able to do it with shadowmeld, but only if you time it perfectly.
step ahead Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 It's not related to Vanish. There are 2 cases. 1) General invisibility mechanic. 2) Ping issues, that mage has seen a rogue after he vanish. 1) Что за механика такая?) Почему у меня аддон ваниш не озвучивает? 2) Баф есть на роге, что за пинг это?
Administrators Zeox Posted July 24, 2017 Administrators Posted July 24, 2017 1) Что за механика такая?) Почему у меня аддон ваниш не озвучивает? 2) Баф есть на роге, что за пинг это? 1) Обычная, для всех SPELL_AURA_MOD_STEALTH и обнаружения таких юнитов в гриде. Пишите разработчику аддона, без понятия. 2) Ну верно, клиент роги видит баф, но у мага всё происходит с задержкой, поэтому он какое-то время мог оставаться в таргете.
Repitchx Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 1) Обычная, для всех SPELL_AURA_MOD_STEALTH и обнаружения таких юнитов в гриде. Пишите разработчику аддона, без понятия. 2) Ну верно, клиент роги видит баф, но у мага всё происходит с задержкой, поэтому он какое-то время мог оставаться в таргете. it's not only for the mage, i can link you more videos from retail if you'd like that? like it's an actual delay for everyone except the rogue. this is why you see how the druid managed to faerie fire the rogue out from vanish https://www.twitch.tv/videos/43252159
Administrators Zeox Posted July 24, 2017 Administrators Posted July 24, 2017 it's not only for the mage, i can link you more videos from retail if you'd like that? like it's an actual delay for everyone except the rogue. this is why you see how the druid managed to faerie fire the rogue out from vanish https://www.twitch.tv/videos/43252159 Ok, I will add some delay after Vanish use to apply Vanish aura.
Repitchx Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 Ok, I will add some delay after Vanish use to apply Vanish aura. yes, but remember that the rogue should be able to use stealth abilities instantly. it's a very complicated report... :/ other people = 0.2 - 0.3 sec delay rogue = should be able to use stealth abilities ASAP edit: thanks btw.
Administrators Zeox Posted July 24, 2017 Administrators Posted July 24, 2017 yes, but remember that the rogue should be able to use stealth abilities instantly. it's a very complicated report... :/ other people = 0.2 - 0.3 sec delay rogue = should be able to use stealth abilities ASAP edit: thanks btw. Nah , if I will add delay, Vanish aura will be added with some delay, it's like fly time. So you will be able to use only when aura is up, it's wrong ?
Repitchx Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 Nah , if I will add delay, Vanish aura will be added with some delay, it's like fly time. So you will be able to use only when aura is up, it's wrong ? Yes, that's wrong. Rogue should be able to use stealth abilities asap, but the delay for other people is right.. it's very hard to explain :S
Administrators Zeox Posted July 24, 2017 Administrators Posted July 24, 2017 Yes, that's wrong. Rogue should be able to use stealth abilities asap, but the delay for other people is right.. it's very hard to explain :S I understood. Vanish should apply immediately, but stealth effect must be applied after some delay. But the problem is I'm even not sure if it's possible to make like this, we don't have delay handlers for spelleffects.
Repitchx Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 I understood. Vanish should apply immediately, but stealth effect must be applied after some delay. But the problem is I even don't if it's possible to make like this, we don't have delay handlers for spelleffects. yes, that is right. i understand. it's a very complicated bug and it's hard to do it like that. maybe in the future? no idea. but i want to say it again (not sure if you catched it): u should be able to see people in stealth for some time (same delay) as well, i will find a video to show you what i mean. on pandawow it disappears instantly, makes it hard to sap people
Administrators Zeox Posted July 24, 2017 Administrators Posted July 24, 2017 but i want to say it again (not sure if you catched it): u should be able to see people in stealth for some time (same delay) as well' date=' i will find a video to show you what i mean. on pandawow it disappears instantly, makes it hard to sap people[/quote'] You say about every stealth ability? Every spell that has stealth effect must act like this? After go to stealth players should see him for 0.2-0.3 second?
Repitchx Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 I understood. Vanish should apply immediately, but stealth effect must be applied after some delay. But the problem is I even don't if it's possible to make like this, we don't have delay handlers for spelleffects. yes, that is right. i understand. it's a very complicated bug and it's hard to do it like that. maybe in the future? no idea. but i want to say it again (not sure if you catched it): u should be able to see people in stealth for some time (same delay) as well, i will find a video to show you what i mean. on pandawow it disappears instantly, makes it hard to sap people yes (except mage invisibility as that is an exception and like potion stealth), but rogue/druid/shaman (from simbi from druid) should work like that. - - - Updated - - - again, i'm looking for the video, give me some time, please just stay active in this thread
Administrators Zeox Posted July 24, 2017 Administrators Posted July 24, 2017 Well, it's very serious change to stealth mechanic, so need 100% proofs and a lot..
Repitchx Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 I know, I will give you videos and show you how it works. If you fix this, it's gonna fix the whole stealth detection issue that people has been having all the time.
Administrators Zeox Posted July 24, 2017 Administrators Posted July 24, 2017 I know, I will give you videos and show you how it works. If you fix this, it's gonna fix the whole stealth detection issue that people has been having all the time. I won't fix it generally tonight 100%, I am even not sure if I can fix it for Vanish tonight, as I already said.
Repitchx Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) I won't fix it generally tonight 100%, I am even not sure if I can fix it for Vanish tonight, as I already said. Don't worry, I just want to let you know this isn't bullshit, this is 100% legit what I'm talking about. Just take your time, there are many other bugs to fix instead, like my to-do list (I updated it maybe few weeks ago with fresh bugs) http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=199096 Still looking for the rogue that had the video.. :/ - - - Updated - - - Ok, as I said, here is at least one video. Not exactly the best video, but you will see that he sees the druid for much longer than you do on pandawow. https://gyazo.com/6d9643179f96b3a6c0ef94aa28a5993d http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=242103&stream=69 - - - Updated - - - http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=242103&stream=69 6:31 Feared in stealth, doesn't break (warrior fear. He vanished, that is why) Just more proof - - - Updated - - - 6:58 http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=242103&stream=69 https://gyazo.com/82eaec0351fff6a4c9340b451e72ef54 See what I mean? Like it's insane. You would NEVER be able to do it on pandawow atm. ( Edited July 24, 2017 by Repitchx
Administrators Zeox Posted July 24, 2017 Administrators Posted July 24, 2017 Part when you can avoid any CC / spells with Vanish is fixed. Here I use vanish before hunter scatter shot. First it hit my while i'm in Vanish. http://screenshot.ru/e5df04fb4cbb0515f291f8056fd0c6e8.png After vanish end and I go to stealth, scatter is still there. http://screenshot.ru/0270b8baa3e93747d5f66df3b46870ba.png And now scatter disappear, I'm still in stealth. http://screenshot.ru/34f8a6c3ef7a6c95c93138b596ae553a.png 1
Administrators Zeox Posted July 24, 2017 Administrators Posted July 24, 2017 What if I vanish and start attack someone? Will vanish aura be removed or I can damage while vanish?
Repitchx Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 What if I vanish and start attack someone? Will vanish aura be removed or I can damage while vanish? Thanks for the first fix. Is it the same for damage abilities too? Chaos Bolt for instance or Shadowburn? If you attack someone, it should break stealth, if you have Subterfuge (lvl 15 middle talent), it should proc Subterfuge... I'm sorry, but this is a VERY complicated report. More info here: http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=213190 & http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=212748 & http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=217284 I don't want to just link you random reports, but they are all connected. Subterfuge is legit connected to stealth. Me and Heisenberg did shit ton of tests when he tried to fix 1 bug with Subterfuge. It was always when he fixed 1 bug, 2 new bugs appeared with stealth, then he fixed them, then 1 new bug with Subterfuge... I really hope if you fix these, QA MUST do a good job... I have faith in you my bro, Cogman
Administrators Zeox Posted July 24, 2017 Administrators Posted July 24, 2017 Vanish -> Hit someone -> Stealth + Subterfuge proc immediately (i have 2 buffs). And when subterfuge end I'm out of stealth. Right?
Repitchx Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 Vanish -> Hit someone -> Stealth + Subterfuge proc immediately (i have 2 buffs). And when subterfuge end I'm out of stealth. Right? Correct. =) Btw, can you also answer my PM I sent you? It's important. Just ask me questions if needed.
Administrators Zeox Posted July 24, 2017 Administrators Posted July 24, 2017 Does it work at the moment? If you vanish and hit someone, will stealth+subterfuge proc and vanish remove?
Repitchx Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 Does it work at the moment? If you vanish and hit someone, will stealth+subterfuge proc and vanish remove? Yes, that is working fine.
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