question about item

[warlockenjoyer]

the tooltip says "unreliable against targets higher than lvl 80", so i guess it should not work in pvp since we are all lvl 90? i ask because it does work perfectly fine against other players and everyone is lvl 90, bugged item? Edited March 10, 2023 by warlockenjoyer

[warlockenjoyer]

and another question, why does warlock Curse of element say 5min duration, yet in pvp lasts 2min?

[Ink_Forever]

the tooltip says "unreliable against targets higher than lvl 80", so i guess it should not work in pvp since we are all lvl 90?

not exactly. the success rate should be calculated somehow i.e. decreased by every level difference. however i haven't found any trustful sources on that topic even though tried several times on past years. all i've got was just a rare controversial estimates made by other players at wowhead's comment section.

there's also a few resources to check:

1) https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Spell_hit

2) https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Hit#Rating

3) https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Formulas:Magical_resistance

4) https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Spell_penetration#In_Mists_of_Pandaria

as i assume level-based resistance (see link #3) is the key to understand 'unreliable against targets higher than ...' mechanics and by that mean level noted on tooltip is supposed to be taken as a caster level to properly calculate the chances. it's my best assumption so far.

[Ink_Forever]

1) https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Spell_hit

3) https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/w...cal_resistance

level noted on tooltip is supposed to be taken as a caster level to properly calculate the chances

Level - PvE / PvP

Vs.+0 level (same level) - 4% /4%

Vs. +1 level - 5% / 5%

Vs. +2 level - 6% / 6%

Vs. +3 level - 17% / 13%

Vs. +4 level - 28% / 20%

Each additional level +11% /+7%

that means 'unreliable against targets higher than lvl 80' = 100-(20+6*7)=48% chances to hit if we don't take in considerations player's hit rating or 48+6=54% if we do.

but it's still a very raw calculations because if we take lvl 70 caster or even lower all items should be always fail which is also wrong (i guess?). at this point i have no ideas and i'm also lazy to dig down.

Edited February 23, 2023 by Ink_Forever

[Ink_Forever]

and another question, why does warlock Curse of element say 5min duration, yet in pvp lasts 2min?

 

[url]https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Curse_of_the_Elements[/url]
[b][url="https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_2.1.0"]Patch 2.1.0[/url] (2007-05-22): Now has a duration of 2 minutes when used on PvP targets.[/b]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_2.1.0

[warlockenjoyer]

it would make sense, i have no cluse thats why i ask, it literally never fails rn

 

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2.1.0?

[Ink_Forever]

2.1.0?

= since 2.1.0 upon 5.4.8 inclusively if no changes hasn't been made on that path (i believe they wasn't - see link of Curse_of_the_Elements)

[warlockenjoyer]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Summon_Gargoyle

 

 

here it says NOWHERE that gargoyle went from snapshot mechanic to dynamic mechanic (like some people claimed in the report i made about gargole not snapshotting as being a very important nerfing bug), so i guess i was right and they never changed the way it worked when it comes to snapshotting since it doesnt say anywhere that they modified it from snapshot to dynamic?

Edited February 24, 2023 by warlockenjoyer

[Sqeer]

can u find me the same stuff about if gargoyle mechanics changed between wrath and mop?

it's a global mechanic + why should they do it FOR YOU?

Edited February 24, 2023 by Sqeer

[Ink_Forever]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Summon_Gargoyle

here it says NOWHERE that gargoyle went from snapshot mechanic to dynamic mechanic so i guess i was right and they never changed the way it worked when it comes to snapshotting since it doesnt say anywhere that they modified it from snapshot to dynamic?

if presented logs from previous topic was not clear enough (for some reason) then the easiest way for you to prove your point is to find the video of some random dk flexing his dps vs. training dummy back in MoP where we can see you are right. such type of videos are not supposed to be rare. you will find out really quickly who was wrong or right

Edited February 24, 2023 by Ink_Forever

[warlockenjoyer]

if presented logs from previous topic was not clear enough (for some reason) then the easiest way for you to prove your point is to find the video of some random dk flexing his dps vs. training dummy back in MoP where we can see you are right. such type of videos are not supposed to be rare. you will find out really quickly who is wrong or right

 

good idea, but how to see what numbers are gargole and what numbers are all the other shit that dk's do? i've already tried to find videos but cant see shit between all the numbers appearing in the screen

 

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it's a global mechanic + why should they do it FOR YOU?

 

and where does one find those "global mechanic" changes through different expansions? where can i find this info?

Edited February 24, 2023 by warlockenjoyer

[Ink_Forever]

and where does one find those "global mechanic" changes through different expansions? where can i find this info?

somewhere like https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_5.4.8

some changes wasn't even documented and has been explained by devs in random interviews so don't even bother. find the video and job is pretty much done