Subterfuge

[Quasimodo]

1. Subterfuge http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=108208/subterfuge

2. The utterly broken mechanic behind this talent on this server is making all rogues not just overpower with the current bugs but simple broken and imba. First of all you can't get rogue out of stealth/vanish instantly as u SHOULD with skills such as Flare or Smoke Bomb despite of Subterfuge. Vanish is also broken with its mechanic and favors this talent even more and ofc "good" rogues abuse it to the max. Sometiems you are incappable to see the rogue or target him via Tab for nearly ~6-7 sec. Vanish supposed to grant a rogue stealth AFTER Vanish buff is gone and you wont make any actions nor get into combat and if you got struckd by cc/direct damage it should not go into stealth as you are in combat, but instead Vanish gives you Stealth in spite of it, doesn't matter if you tend to be in combat or you are making some action you will recive Subterfuge anyway and therefore you can continue to crap on your target with 150k Evis while he cant do anything for even longer time.

4. 04.08.14

5. All realms

6. 90k/345k

Edited August 4, 2014 by Quasimodo

[sYnced]

Subterfuge, nor vanish causes the stuff you described. Only thing thats correct in this post is that smoke bomb doesnt reveal stealth.

[Spookat]

Why dont u fix the deadly poison?

[Quasimodo]

Subterfuge, nor vanish causes the stuff you described. Only thing thats correct in this post is that smoke bomb doesnt reveal stealth.

 

Use language that is actually understandable please ?

I tried to make myself clear as possible but I suppose I need to makes some sort of animation slide by slide so people with brain damage could understand what I actually mean. And still if you think it is not working as I discribed then, I dont care about your opinion nor should anybody else as facts speak for themselves.

[Rukkus]

1. Subterfuge http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=108208/subterfuge

2. The utterly broken mechanic behind this talent on this server is making all rogues not just overpower with the current bugs but simple broken and imba. First of all you can't get rogue out of stealth/vanish instantly as u SHOULD with skills such as Flare or Smoke Bomb despite of Subterfuge. Vanish is also broken with its mechanic and favors this talent even more and ofc "good" rogues abuse it to the max. Sometiems you are incappable to see the rogue or target him via Tab for nearly ~6-7 sec. Vanish supposed to grant a rogue stealth AFTER Vanish buff is gone and you wont make any actions nor get into combat and if you got struckd by cc/direct damage it should not go into stealth as you are in combat, but instead Vanish gives you Stealth in spite of it, doesn't matter if you tend to be in combat or you are making some action you will recive Subterfuge anyway and therefore you can continue to crap on your target with 150k Evis while he cant do anything for even longer time.

4. 04.08.14

5. All realms

6. 90k/345k

First off thats the point of subterfuge it does not break stealth for 3 secs after dealing damage or taking damage! With the talent u should NOT be taken out of stealth immediately! And as far as dots, cc, and whatever else you were taking about, that's why rogues have cloak of shadows! So it is indeed possible to still vanish with bleeds or dots or anything else you want to cry about bc cloak of shadows removes all of them so you can vanish! Don't make stupid posts about bugged class spells when you have no idea what you are talking about!

[Quasimodo]

First off thats the point of subterfuge it does not break stealth for 3 secs after dealing damage or taking damage! With the talent u should NOT be taken out of stealth immediately! And as far as dots, cc, and whatever else you were taking about, that's why rogues have cloak of shadows! So it is indeed possible to still vanish with bleeds or dots or anything else you want to cry about bc cloak of shadows removes all of them so you can vanish! Don't make stupid posts about bugged class spells when you have no idea what you are talking about!

 

Please stop raging and yelling because it's meaningless. Of course I agree with everything you said. And I dont denay that at all. What I said seems to me, you have missunderstood complitly. Its broken with vanish/flare/smoke bomb that you have not reffered to at all.

As I can assume you dont know english well or you have problems with reasonable thinking, either way dont replay to the subject you don't understand.

[Frostshotz]

All stealths are affected by subterfuge(except shadowmeld,where u have to stealth from it).U can do any damage or cc(like holw of terror,rain of fire etc.) to the rogue while hes subterfuged,but it has to have no target and to be aoe.Even 1 spell or ability done to the rogue will give him subterfuge instantly(shadow blades included to).And all the stuns are on a DR for 20 seconds,which is pretty much all the rogues burst,and they play only at opener.

[Quasimodo]

I am going to give you one last fact about it, Vanish should not grant stealth after its duration when you are in combat by direct dmg/actions and therefore subterfuge should not be granted to such rogue. Period. I was completely missunderstood by all of you, but I should have seen that comming. Im not going to argue with you about it anymore. Edited August 6, 2014 by Quasimodo

[Neff]

Was fixed.