Repitchx Posted November 16, 2014 Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) http://i.imgur.com/GzCWtnJ.png [spoiler=Video version]VIDEO VERSION: ^Still updating my video guide, but that's just for now. I'll make a new one in the future. http://oi57.tinypic.com/2zta8b5.jpg [spoiler=Information]Hello everyone. My name is Vidar, or better known as Repitchx. I'm known for playing a Sub Rogue. I won't exactly call myself the best, but will call myself as one of the most known rogues with much experience. I'm a person who mostly play double DPS in 2s. Only time I play with a healer is when I'm capping or playing with randoms on my alt. This guide will mostly be about arenas, and a little about battlegrounds. Some arena stats I've achieved: I've achieved r1 in 2s & 3s as the highest rated Rogue 3.2k as Rogue/Mage 2.5k as RMD http://oi57.tinypic.com/332nkf7.jpg -Getting to know Sublety: -Races -Talents & Glyphs -Reforging (stat priority) & gearing -Gemming / Enchants -Explained abilities / Rotation -Tips & Tricks -Arena Comps -Addons -Macros http://oi57.tinypic.com/rshnck.jpg Positives: -Powerful burst -Deadly swaps -Amazing peels Negatives: -Squishy cooldowns -Relying too much on restealths -Easy to shutdown A good RMD can 100-0 you, even through certain cooldowns. In some of these clips, you'll see us killing a Paladin from 100-0 multiple times. Some where we just kidney tricks + orb, and some where just I solo. In other clips, we just kill because of RMD CC https://clips.twitch.tv/crazeirl/GracefulBeeJebaited (100-0 with just kidney tricks + orb. No SD or SB) https://clips.twitch.tv/crazeirl/CooperativeCatPeteZaroll (100-0) https://clips.twitch.tv/crazeirl/UgliestSalamanderBlargNaut (Shaman kill) https://clips.twitch.tv/crazeirl/UninterestedGullKappa (the CC is just too strong) https://clips.twitch.tv/crazeirl/PricklyEelWutFace (rotating through our CC correctly is probably the most retarded thing. CS or Garroe to prevent stops, swap clone and poly around 24/7) https://clips.twitch.tv/crazeirl/ZealousMartenBabyRage (kill through wall + Execution Sentence. Explains how the damage is from RMD) https://clips.twitch.tv/crazeirl/FriendlyVultureStoneLightning (100-0 again. Damage is just too much to handle) So there you can see. The damage from RMD is just straight up obnoxious. There are far more worse comps to fight if played right though. http://oi57.tinypic.com/2q3srvl.jpg Alliance: http://i.imgur.com/96FTt.jpg every-man-for-himself is a PvP racial ability. You can wear two trinkets now for the extra DPS output. Humans will always win in the offensive playstyle. http://i.imgur.com/dIFNc.jpg shadowmeld is a great defensive racial. It completely negates the effects of any harmful ability when used at the same time. Quite difficult to pull this off but it can game-breaking. Enemies also de-target you when this is used. So if you see a mage pop his cooldowns and cast a Frostbolt at you while you're in a nova, Shadowmeld and he will have to re-target you and re-cast. It's also great offensive since you have Subterfuge, which gives you multiple openers for 3 seconds. Very deadly. Although, Shadowmeld's worst enemie is faerie-fire Horde: http://i.imgur.com/VDnk0.jpg will of the forsaken is a trinket for charm, fear and sleep effects. It shares a 30 sec ICD with your PvP trinket. So be careful when you use it, cause you might get switched on. http://i.imgur.com/cZIY9.jpg blood-fury gives you a small attack power increase. Blood Fury combined with your trinket is a great way to put out some damage in a short amount of time. Best for Alliance: They're both viable, but I'd go for Human. Best for Horde: Again, they're both viable, it's just about personal preference http://i60.tinypic.com/r85ydy.jpg Spec: http://i62.tinypic.com/5wahl.png Explaining each ability: http://i58.tinypic.com/6417i8.png Nightstalker: Not worth using, unless you do battlegrounds. Cooldowns + beserking -> Vanish -> Evisc can be deadly. Other than that, never go for it. Subterfuge: This talent is so good that I don't even have the right words. Garrote -> Cheap Shot is extremely deadly. It's amazing for peels as well. Druid need peels? Vanish -> Cheap Shot the Sham & Warlock. If you need to recover, Vanish = 3 sec of unbreakable stealth + Subterfuge = 6 seconds of stealth. Shadow Focus: Not worth using. Subterfuge is too strong to give up. http://i57.tinypic.com/wlon5y.png Deadly Throw: Not worth using. It could be viable if it had a 20 sec cd with no energy nor CP cost. Nerve Strike: This is the talent you'll be using the most. Number one talent if you know your opponent will train your healer or your other teammate. A peeling talent pretty much. Use this talent always against casters like god comp, LSD, LSD2, MLS etc... Combat Readiness: Use this talent if you know they'll train you, or can make hard swaps. Predicting a RMD'S swap with CR with Feint up, will first of all do no damage, second is that your healer doesn't have to blow any cooldowns. http://i59.tinypic.com/29vj5zt.png When to use? http://i60.tinypic.com/33b1tn9.png Nerve Strike is used against casters and when people train your partners. Combat Readiness is used vs melee cleaves. Example of melee comps / cleaves: TSG, KFC, thug cleave, PHDK, Kitty cleave etc... http://i57.tinypic.com/s2v04o.png Cheat Death: Don't use. You can however maybe play with it in RM/X (3s) mirrors. I would still play with Feint, a good Rogue can always prefeint most goes. Leeching Poison: PvE talent. Don't ever use it. Elusiveness: 99% of the time you'll have this talent. 30% damage for 5 sec is very good vs anything. http://i62.tinypic.com/2rm1uva.png Cloak and Dagger: If you're a duel hero, take this talent. In arenas or battlegrounds, you can't. You will have no mobility whatsoever. Shadowstep: Actually a very good talent. It's good and more fluent I'd say due to fact that you can step kick and instantly connect on targets, or you can do a hard swap with it. It's also a good defense ability. You can step your healer to eat traps or just step to pull back and get a restealth. Burst of Speed: Most broken talent in the game. This talent is a solid choice in most cases. Only downside to it is that you will energy starve if you spam it too much. This talent gives you amazing mobility vs anything. The mobility that BoS gives you can be used in so many ways http://i61.tinypic.com/xdv9mv.png Prey on the Weak: Flat 10% damage increase for your whole team when you stun someone. Great talent. More damage never goes wrong. Paralytic Poison: A stun that doesn't DR with anything. A 4 sec controlled root with Shiv is amazing for peels. I prefer Para over PotW. Dirty Tricks: Useless in most situations. You can use it vs ferals in 2s or RM/X mirrors in 3s. With this talent you can actually peel ferals for your mage. In 3s you can gouge a Rogue and completely counter his Feint ability (-30% dmg reduction). But I would still go for Paralytic Posion or PotW. http://i60.tinypic.com/2ai72v.jpg Honestly, it's personal prefrence. If you prefer having more damage, you go PotW. If you prefer controlling the game more, helping your team with peels, go with PP. http://i60.tinypic.com/ine894.png Shuriken Toss: Drains your energy. Was only viable in 5.0.5 - 5.2. Good for duels though. Marked for Death: Only viable talent here. Great for that instant 5CP Evisc, or just a 5CP SnD/Recup on totems/banners. Anticipation: PvE ability... don't touch it! http://i60.tinypic.com/vr7v5y.png Major glyphs: Hemorrhaging Veins: Great glyph so you'll always have that 20% extra damage Glyph of Garrote: This is only vs casters. If you fight melee teams, swap it with Glyph of Cheap Shot Glyph of Blind: Obvious one, to remove dots from the target Minor glyphs: Glyph of Blurred Speed: Great for battlegrounds. Can run over Arathi Basin to stop the opponent from capping Blacksmith Glyph of Poisons: Apply poisons faster. Just nice to have. :) Glyph of Safe Fall: This talent is amazing in Arathi Basin when you get pushed off the hill. Saved me so many times. http://i57.tinypic.com/214qlpk.png 3% hit -> agility -> mastery-> crit -> haste Agility over mastery cause agility is increasing your overall damage, while mastery only boosts your finishers like Evisc & Rupture. My stats: http://i60.tinypic.com/2ef2fr6.jpg Prideful Gladiator's Leather Helm reforge from expertise -> crit prideful-gladiators-necklace-of-proficiency reforge from expertise -> crit Prideful Gladiator's Leather Spaulders reforge from expertise -> crit Prideful Gladiator's Cape of Prowess reforge from hit -> crit Prideful Gladiator's Leather Tunic don't reforge Prideful Gladiator's Armwraps of Alacrity reforge from haste -> crit 2x of Prideful Gladiator's Shanker don't reforge Prideful Gladiator's Leather Gloves reforge from hit -> mastery Prideful Gladiator's Waistband of Cruelty don't reforge Prideful Gladiator's Leather Legguards reforge from haste -> mastery Prideful Gladiator's Boots of Cruelty don't reforge Prideful Gladiator's Ring of Accuracy reforge from hit -> crit Prideful Gladiator's Ring of Cruelty reforge from haste -> mastery Prideful Gladiator's Badge of Conquest Prideful Gladiator's Insignia of Conquest (if horde, remove Badge of Conquest & replace it with Prideful Gladiator's Medallion of Cruelty. Reforge crit -> mastery) http://i60.tinypic.com/ebcxme.png http://i58.tinypic.com/20as1mu.png http://i57.tinypic.com/1z2odog.png http://i58.tinypic.com/11ald84.png http://i61.tinypic.com/23homj4.png Head: Meta = Agile Primal Diamond & red: delicate primordial ruby Shoulder: [Adept Vermilion Onyx Chest: 2x Delicate Primordial Ruby Gloves: Assassin's Imperial Amethyst Waist: Assassin's Imperial Amethyst & Assassin's Imperial Amethyst (red in red) Legs: 2x Delicate Primordial Ruby Feet: Delicate Primordial Ruby Enchants: Greater Tiger Claw Inscription Enchant Chest - Glorious Stats Enchant Cloak - Superior Critical Strike Tailoring: Swordguard Embroidery (if you have Tailoring) Enchant Bracer - Greater Agility Enchant Gloves - Superior Mastery Engineering: Synapse Springs (if you have Eng) Shadowleather Leg Armor Enchant Boots - Blurred Speed main Enchant Weapon - Dancing Steel off-hand Enchant Weapon - Glorious Tyranny http://i60.tinypic.com/2vl9v0i.png Hemorrhage is your main attack. This is the ability you pretty much spam to get combo points. Backstab is your main attack to use when a player is suffering from your Kidney or Cheap. You can't be fooling around finding players backs, that's why you only use this while someone is stunned. Rupture is your best dot effect. Use it in fights where you know he'll survive your opener. Slice and Dice is where you get your energy from. ALWAYS HAVE IT UP! Eviscerate is used to pump out damage with your combo points. Can do some serious damage with your trinket. Kidney Shot is your best friend in any situation. Use it wisely. http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=51713/shadow-dance is your strongest offensive ability. Again, use it wisely. Don't just use it to use it, you have to have a reason to pop it. Pump damage or peel? Depends on the situation. Shadow Blades is extremely deadly combined with Shadow Dance + your trinket. Try to force cooldowns with only Dance at first. If you can get a trinket, it's perfect, cause next Dance, you'll be able to kill him with Blades + Dance. Openers: This is PandaWoW, therefore you have some different ways to open than you normally would on retail during 5.4.8. Opener on melees/casters who can't use defensive cooldowns in stun: http://i58.tinypic.com/23h7f4n.png Burst opener is the same, but add Shadow Blades as well. No cooldowns opener: http://i62.tinypic.com/so4aau.png Burst opener: http://i62.tinypic.com/x0pcuo.png ^This is what you use against casters like Mages, Shamans, Paladins and so on. Classes that can use defensive cooldowns while stunned I wouldn't suggest always using the burst opener, I only use blades + Dance together when I know for sure I can land the kill. If he doesn't die, it'll backfire and you're stuck with no offensive cooldown. Normally I only dance + trinket/Synapse (if you have engineering). I've been up all night, so my openers might be wrong, but I'll change them if I see errors tomrrow. If you run Para talent, use Paralystic Poison + Wound Poison. If you run PotW, use Mind-numbing Poison + Wound Poison http://i58.tinypic.com/31363vd.png Keep track of your cooldowns all the time. This is important for all classes, but as a Rogue, you rely on hard swaps, so if you don't have Blades or Shadow Dance, it means you can't do any damage. When you see a Mage Ice Block on low health, Smoke Bomb. That means the Mage can't get heals, the Druid is vulnerable to CC cause he'll most likely panic. Means you can get a dispel from your healer -> restealth -> Sap -> finish the Mage. Communicate with your partner. Oh my... Can't tell how pissed I get when I play with people who doesn't play with Skype. It's so stupid, it really is. First of all. Chance of you guys overlapping your CC is big, secondly. You don't know when and/or who to swap on. And thirdly, positioning will just be absolutely terrible. As you can see in my openers, Garrote -> Cheap Shot. This is a great way to stick on a Mage, cause he can't Blink. Sap off of a 5CP Kidney Shot is also a smart thing. Kidney Shot lasts for 6 seconds and players get out of combat after 6 sec, means you can easily sap off of it. You can even Kidney -> Blind -> Sap trinket this way. Sapping off of your Kidney is actually mostly a thing in 2s, in 3s it's it's most of the time (90%) Deep -> Sheep healer. When you fight a Warlock, you can Smoke Bomb the gate. His whole team will not be able to use it. - https://clips.twitch.tv/BrightIgnorantPizzaPipeHype You can also root a warlock's gate, with Paralytic Poison you have a 4 sec root that can actually be game-breaking. http://i58.tinypic.com/2lbm8mu.png 2v2: Rogue / Mage (Frost) Rogue / Hunter (BM/MM/SV) Rogue / Priest (Holy/Shadow) Rogue / Druid (Balance) 3v3: RSD (Rogue / Ele / Rdruid) RLS (Aff Lock / Resto Sham) RMD/RMP (Frost Mage / Resto Druid / Holy Priest) Thug cleave (Hunter / healer (Sham is best) RPS (Shadow Priest / Resto Sham) Dancing with the Stars These are the 6 most viable comps as a Rogue. RMD -> Dancing with the stars-> Thug -> RSD -> RLS-> RPS (DwtS = boomy/rogue/healer (played with priest or rsham) http://i62.tinypic.com/2wog2lw.png http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/extracd Display the internal cd or proc rate multiples(for rppm) text on spell icons with special animation overlayed. https://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=TargetInCombat.rar Tells if the enemie is in combat. Out of combat: https://gyazo.com/11ae83d66f931f42ea6781f30c40232c and in combat https://gyazo.com/e04733bd3be01109a03d618b0c2e1af9) http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/last-second-dr-display Last Second DR displays show all relevant DR timers on yourself, your party members, all arena opponents, your current target, and your focus. http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/losecontrol LoseControl makes it easy to see the duration of crowd control spells by displaying them in a dedicated icon onscreen. http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/omni-cc OmniCC is an addon that adds text to items, spell and abilities that are on cooldown to indicate when they will be ready to use. In other words: it turns all the standard analogue cooldowns into digital ones. http://i60.tinypic.com/vo3exh.png [spoiler=Party 1 & 2 TotT]: #showtooltip /cast [@party1] Tricks of the Trade #showtooltip /cast [@party2] Tricks of the Trade [spoiler=General showtooltip macros]#showtooltip Shadow Blades /use Garrote #showtooltip Shadow Blades /use Ambush /startattack #showtooltip Shadow Blades /use Rupture /startattack #showtooltip Shadow Blades /use Hemorrhage /use Sinister Strike /use Mutilate /startattack #showtooltip Shadow Blades /use Backstab /use Revealing Strike /startattack #showtooltip Marked for Death /use Feint #showtooltip Smoke Bomb /use Preparation #showtooltip Garrote /use Hemorrhage /startattack #showtooltip Evasion /use Distract #showtooltip Combat Readiness /use Slice and Dice #showtooltip Combat Readiness /use Recuperate #showtooltip Kick /use Fan of Knives #showtooltip Shadow Blades /use Eviscerate /startattack #showtooltip Will of the Forsaken /cast [target=focus] Blind (if you are undead) #showtooltip Cloak of Shadows /castsequence [@focus] reset=20 Redirect, Kidney Shot #showtooltip Vanish /use Combat Readiness /use Feint Redirect macros/Shiv: #showtooltip /castsequence [@focus] reset=20 Redirect, Kidney Shot #showtooltip Redirect /cast [target=focus] Redirect #showtooltip Shiv /stackattack /cast Shiv /cast throw General focus macros: #showtooltip Gouge /cast [target=focus] Gouge #showtooltip Cheap Shot /cast [target=focus] Cheap Shot #showtooltip Garrote /cast [target=focus] Garrote #showtooltip Shiv /cast [target=focus] Shiv #showtooltip Blind /cast [target=focus] Blind #showtooltip Kick /cast [target=focus] Kick #showtooltip Dismantle /cast [target=focus] Dismantle Sap macros: #showtooltip Sap /cast [target=focus] Sap #showtooltip Sap /cleartarget /targetenemyplayer /cast [stance:1/3, harm, nodead] Sap Dance macros: #showtooltip shadow dance /cast Shadow Dance /use Shadow Blades /cast Prideful Gladiator's Badge of Conquest #showtooltip shadow dance /cast Shadow Dance /use Prideful Gladiator's Leather Gloves Arena 1 2 3 macros: /cast [target=arena1] Blind /cast [target=arena2] Blind /cast [target=arena3] Blind /target arena1 /target arena2 /target arena3 /focus arena1 /focus arena2 /focus arena3 Edited January 11, 2019 by Repitchx 42
Repitchx Posted November 12, 2016 Author Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) Updated it a little bit (missed probably some points) *Added 1 more addon *Added 1 more trick with Kidney Shot *Added 1 more 3s comp (Rogue / ele sham / rdruid) *Changed description for talents (Dirty Tricks + Shuriken Toss + Cheat Death + Shadowstep) *Added more spoilers to prevent a big wall of text What I'm planning on next: Maybe show with pictures/videos how to swap correctly Try to make a better video guide (this one right now isn't bad, I say almost everything you need to know, but it's too long and I could show maybe some clips of certain stuff, like macros, addons etc) Edit: Thanks Neff for cleaning my thread. Edited November 12, 2016 by Repitchx 1
Repitchx Posted November 13, 2016 Author Posted November 13, 2016 Good guide. ty Not bad. :popcorn: ty =)
Fromdowntown Posted November 14, 2016 Posted November 14, 2016 Very good :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn: 1
Surprize Posted November 14, 2016 Posted November 14, 2016 Thank you Gladiator Repitchx this is a really good beginner guide. 1
DragonBruu Posted November 14, 2016 Posted November 14, 2016 Thank you Gladiator Repitchx this is a really good beginner guide. hahahahhaha i agree.
crapworks Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 I was wondering, you did not include [expose armor] in your rotation. Is it needed at all for sub rogue?
Firego Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) I was wondering, you did not include [expose armor] in your rotation. Is it needed at all for sub rogue? No. It's useless. You can use it though in duels vs other rogues, I'll show tomorrow on my main account, but in arena you dont't ever. You have Faerie Fire from Your druid (in 3s) There's a trick With Sap and Expose Armor. If you Sap someone, you can turn 90 degrees and spam Expose Armor 2 times and still get a restealth, means he has 8% less armor. However, you won't notice any difference in damage. rogue vs rogue is so dumb in MoP that it's disgusting. Whoever gets the opener should 90% of the time win. Put up bleeds -> run for restealth With BoS -> lol rekt noob Not much you can do With a 24 sec dot on you. Edited November 18, 2016 by Firego 1
crapworks Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 No. It's useless. You can use it though in duels vs other rogues, I'll show tomorrow on my main account, but in arena you dont't ever. You have Faerie Fire from Your druid (in 3s) There's a trick With Sap and Expose Armor. If you Sap someone, you can turn 90 degrees and spam Expose Armor 2 times and still get a restealth, means he has 8% less armor. However, you won't notice any difference in damage. rogue vs rogue is so dumb in MoP that it's disgusting. Whoever gets the opener should 90% of the time win. Put up bleeds -> run for restealth With BoS -> lol rekt noob Not much you can do With a 24 sec dot on you. that's nice thanks. That's one less thing on my keybind!
Firego Posted November 18, 2016 Posted November 18, 2016 that's nice thanks. That's one less thing on my keybind! You're welcome. :)
Repitchx Posted November 28, 2016 Author Posted November 28, 2016 Can you do 1 for combat ples? :) Don't play Combat, so you're asking the wrong guy. Just manage to line up your trinket proc & red buff and you'll rek kids.
Garodar Posted November 28, 2016 Posted November 28, 2016 Don't play Combat, so you're asking the wrong guy. Just manage to line up your trinket proc & red buff and you'll rek kids. I dont play affli or destro and I can still make a guide for those specs. Either way, just sayin' it'd be a good idea if you actually tried to play the spec, cuz it seems alot more fun to me than dance every min and spam cheap shot and ambush. I dont know how to play it 'tho, so FeelsBadMan :p
Repitchx Posted November 28, 2016 Author Posted November 28, 2016 I dont play affli or destro and I can still make a guide for those specs. Either way, just sayin' it'd be a good idea if you actually tried to play the spec, cuz it seems alot more fun to me than dance every min and spam cheap shot and ambush. I dont know how to play it 'tho, so FeelsBadMan :p everyone can make a guide, but a good guide? that's another story. would just be wrong to make a guide if you dont even play the spec.
Deielrion Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 I dont play affli or destro and I can still make a guide for those specs. Either way, just sayin' it'd be a good idea if you actually tried to play the spec, cuz it seems alot more fun to me than dance every min and spam cheap shot and ambush. I dont know how to play it 'tho, so FeelsBadMan :p trinket proc + shadow blades + killing spree = lel
DragonBruu Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 trinket proc + shadow blades + killing spree = lel + red buff
Vegartko Posted December 1, 2016 Posted December 1, 2016 Idk how people don't enjoy combat spec, played rbgs on it back on retail s15 and having all that burst is so fun (Plus, no position requeriment which is perfect for brazilian 200 ms scrubs like me)
DragonBruu Posted December 1, 2016 Posted December 1, 2016 Idk how people don't enjoy combat spec, played rbgs on it back on retail s15 and having all that burst is so fun (Plus, no position requeriment which is perfect for brazilian 200 ms scrubs like me) HAHAHAHAHA THAT SIGNATURE LOOOL, it was in when i was in takaa's guild 'je tu nik ta moke' xDD
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