Repitchx Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Spell: http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=1464/slam#changelog Issue: Someone told me that Slam formula is completely broken, make it do way more damage. What should happen: Should have 5.4.8 formula (no idea where to find formulas rip) Priority: 10/10 Realm: x100/fun As I said, I'm not sure about it, but we all know warriors do WAAAY too much damage. I tested most passive spells that grant damage increase and I didn't find anything there. I believe it must be the formula. Could be wrong, but if I am, please help out and tell us what's broken, cause it's not legit at all. This is coming from a 2.8k destro lock s15 retail, 2.8k mage, 2.6k priest, 2.9k mage etc. Everyone who played s15 knows it's completely retarded. Just help out and try to find the bug. 1 Link to comment
Firestarter Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) Updated my formula below. Edited March 27, 2016 by Firestarter Link to comment
Saylance Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Have tested about 2 month ago, all is correct. If not, make Warrior in FUN, and make log/screenshot with damage without procs, and with weapon 3.6 speed. Link to comment
Repitchx Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 Have tested about 2 month ago, all is correct. If not, make Warrior in FUN, and make log/screenshot with damage without procs, and with weapon 3.6 speed. Don't know what it is then. The damage is absurd, far from legit and I tested all passive abilities in your spellbook and everything is fine. There must be something scaling incredibly wrong and idk what it is. :/ Link to comment
faina Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 i dont remember how but you need to count normalisation when testing melle's abilities all major bugs i can think of is http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=169073 and http://forum.wowcircle.com/showthread.php?t=520416 (slam gcd) Link to comment
Autschbatsch Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) Warrior dmg is retarded on pandawow, i'll donate a free 550warlock to the one finding a proper bug which allows trash warriors to outdeal everything. Edited March 28, 2016 by Autschbatsch Link to comment
Firestarter Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) i dont remember how but you need to count normalisation when testing melle's abilities all major bugs i can think of is http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=169073 and http://forum.wowcircle.com/showthread.php?t=520416 (slam gcd) yeah exactly ... Maybe someone can work with this : This are my results but i feel like i failed in some points. Let me link the formula for Slam : http://i.imgur.com/CNlz3Ph.png That formula is kinda bit tricky because you have to calculate the normalized weapon damage first. The normalized weapon damage for instant attacks is: normalized_damage = base_weapon_damage + (X * Attack Power / 14) Note that ... base_weapon_damage + weapon_speed * Attack Power / 14 is simply the formula for weapon (white) hit damage, as 14 AP = 1 DPS. Reason: Needs updating for Patch 6.0.2. Each point of Agility or Strength now grants 1 Attack Power (down from 2). All other sources of Attack Power now grant half as much as before. Attack Power now increases Weapon Damage at a rate of 1 DPS per 3.5 Attack Power (up from 1 DPS per 14 Attack Power) . Attack Power, Spell Power, or Weapon Damage now affect the entire healing or damage throughput of player spells. Bonus Armor secondary stat added: Increases Armor and Attack Power for tanking specializations. So we add these things : My weapon that i wear atm is : http://i.imgur.com/9VnSmUF.png Still didnt figure out if my base_weapon_damage is now the average from the Weapon damage or the weapon DPS. Anyways let's continue : Saw my ingame Tooltip ? Why does it say + 3.427 damage ? tried to put some clothes off so my attack power gonna get reduced but nothing changed. Not sure if the tooltip or the formula is just bugged. Anyways let's make the formula now. I tried it now to get the dps Not sure if thats correct but yeah thats why im posting it here. 139,98 is the DPS. X = 3.3 for two-handed weapons AP for 1 damage = 14 (the 4,24 might be for wod in the picture above) so formula is : normalized_damage = 139,98 + (3,3 * 37.524 /14) = 8844,94 ^ That is the normalized weapon dmg (correct me if im wrong) Now lets continue with the slam formula : 8844,94/100*275 = 24323 24323 + 1246 = 25569 It's supposed to do 25569 damage but right now im doing 30696 tested in pride gear ( tested with 115 ilvl weapon on a dummy) Anyways that's what i found out :D Also in the "modified by" section on wowhead i cant find that it should be modified by http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=12712/seasoned-soldier sources : http://web.archive.org/web/20131209181212/http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=1464/slam#used-by-npc http://wow.gamepedia.com/Normalization http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Weapon_damage http://wow.gamepedia.com/Attack_power Edited March 27, 2016 by Firestarter 1 Link to comment
Repitchx Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 yeah exactly ... Maybe someone can work with this : This are my results but i feel like i failed in some points. Let me link the formula for Slam : http://i.imgur.com/CNlz3Ph.png The normalized weapon damage for instant attacks is: normalized_damage = base_weapon_damage + (X * Attack Power / 14) So we add these things : My weapon that i wear atm is : http://i.imgur.com/9VnSmUF.png Still didnt figure out if my base_weapon_damage is now the average from the Weapon damage or the weapon DPS. Anyways let's continue : Saw my ingame Tooltip ? Why does it say + 3.427 damage ? tried to put some clothes off so my attack power gonna get reduced but nothing changed. Not sure if the tooltip or the formula is just bugged. Anyways let's make the formula now. I tried it now to get the dps Not sure if thats correct but yeah thats why im posting it here. 139,98 is the DPS. X = 3.3 for two-handed weapons AP for 1 damage = 4,24 so formula is : normalized_damage = 139,98 + (3,3 * 37.524 /14) = 8844,94 ^ That is the normalized weapon dmg (correct me if im wrong) Now lets continue with the slam formula : 8844,94/100*275 = 24323 24323 + 1246 = 25569 It's supposed to do 25569 damage but right now im doing 30696 Anyways that's what i found out :D sources : http://web.archive.org/web/20131209181212/http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=1464/slam#used-by-npc http://wow.gamepedia.com/Normalization http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Weapon_damage http://wow.gamepedia.com/Attack_power didnt read much, but lik thats huge if u add gear. 5k more naked? imagine all the extra AP and strength topkek! Link to comment
Wexewellencexx Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 make a report if slam is rly bugged Link to comment
Firestarter Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) Its tested with a 115 ilvl weapon and since slam is based on weapon dmg it would make a huuuge difference ... so yeah no idea just posted it here so other ppl can think about it and give me some tips prob. before i post that as a bug report. With my normal 550 weapon i do 102k means it would make a ~15k + damage difference ( even more with proccs etc. ) so yeah i think thats pretty much it what we are looking for no ? Edited March 27, 2016 by Firestarter Link to comment
Garodar Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 About the Slam & Seasoned Soldier, this is only thing I could find that marks the spells affected correctly: https://wow.freakz.ro/spells.php?spell=12712 so Slam isn't affected by Seasoned Soldier. Link to comment
Plzfixorito Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 If tl;dr read this. http://i.imgur.com/CNlz3Ph.png The normalized weapon damage for instant attacks is: normalized_damage = base_weapon_damage + (X * Attack Power / 14) Let's make the formula now. I tried it now to get the dps Not sure if thats correct but yeah thats why im posting it here. 139,98 is the DPS. X = 3.3 for two-handed weapons AP for 1 damage = 14 so formula is : normalized_damage = 139,98 + (3,3 * 37.524 /14) = 8844,94 ^ That is the normalized weapon dmg (correct me if im wrong) Now lets continue with the slam formula : 8844,94/100*275 = 24323 24323 + 1246 = 25569 It's supposed to do 25569 damage but right now im doing 30696 sources : http://web.archive.org/web/20131209181212/http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=1464/slam#used-by-npc http://wow.gamepedia.com/Normalization http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Weapon_damage http://wow.gamepedia.com/Attack_power - - - Updated - - - Also, i though it was maybe that Seasoned Soldier was affecting Slam, and maybe it is, but that isent what's supposed to be happening. Over all Seasoned Soldier should only affect: » Whirlwind » Whirlwind Off-Hand » Thunder Clap Link to comment
Firestarter Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Yep and the rest of the formula looks pretty logic for me Link to comment
Adlairo Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I think it is Seasoned Soldier interaction, that it affects overall physical damage AND slam. Link to comment
Firestarter Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I'm not even sure if seasoned soldier should affect slam damage ... If not its bugged as fuck ... Well on wowfreakz atleast they said it shouldnt affect but theres no 100% believable source :/ Link to comment
Garodar Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I'm not even sure if seasoned soldier should affect slam damage ... If not its bugged as fuck ... Well on wowfreakz atleast they said it shouldnt affect but theres no 100% believable source :/ It shouldn't. No site I checked it on says it should be. That's believeable enough. Link to comment
Firestarter Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Let me upload some tests later. Checking seasoned soldier atm. Looks like it gets applied twice somehow. Link to comment
Adlairo Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Let me upload some tests later. Checking seasoned soldier atm. Looks like it gets applied twice somehow. That's what i thought. Link to comment
Firestarter Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Someone know how much armor a dummy has ? Link to comment
Firestarter Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 So looks like seasoned soldier is already applied in my "Weapon_base_damage" and damage looks fine tbh. Not sure what it can be else. Also it's not applied twice Link to comment
Takaa. 3 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 JUST MAKE FORMULAS FOR DK DOTS WE DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT SLAM LOOOOOOOOOOOL[ATTACH=CONFIG]108008[/ATTACH] Link to comment
Firestarter Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Can you stfu now you prick ? Dk damage right now is also bugged and op. Maybe think about that ur just not good at dk = reason why u dont do enough dmg. Yes i saw u playing in 3s so stop crying now pujo 2 Link to comment
Sashagreyx Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 >inb4 warrior nerf >inb4 40% of pandawow's population vanishes >mfw >http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/jimifunguzz/reaction%20faces/reaction-face-MikeTyson-as-Herman-Cain.gif 3 Link to comment
Takaa. 3 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Can you stfu now you prick ? Dk damage right now is also bugged and op. Maybe think about that ur just not good at dk = reason why u dont do enough dmg. Yes i saw u playing in 3s so stop crying now pujo 2 Suck my dick u fucking cunt 1500 retard stay on spectator Link to comment
Firestarter Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Suck my dick u fucking cunt 1500 retard stay on spectator Ok .. yeah prob. I just dont know shit about 3s. Sorry /lel Anyways when you cry as dk about dmg than ur just bad Link to comment
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