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I have been watching for days how several players create a team and enter BG on the FUN server

It's totally LEGAL... I'm not saying otherwise.

The problem comes when these people do this to take advantage and farm deaths in BG

The only thing they make people leave BG all the time. 

 

because they don't stop dying (because they enter solitary BG and have no one or because they are starting to play and have no equipment or JcJ.

It is totally legal to do this... but it is ruinous since not everyone has a group to enter (and these people do it knowing that it is a total abuse)

 

When entering BG and your party are always newcomers and without equipment... and the opposite side with iten level 550 just to receive free kills, is a disaster.

 

-> A newcomer to the server, if you create a character in FUN, you will be able to buy tyrannical clothing, put gems, enchantments, use professions, glyphs and enter BG with a great advantage. and when you enter BG they raise your equipment to 550....

 

->the opposite of FUN, a newcomer to X5.   (90% of players do not carry gems, enchantments, glyphs and usually go to BG, with timeless PVE clothes from the island)

and if you don't enter with PVP equipment, when you enter BG they don't raise it to 550, so you have no jcj damage or defense

 

I don't intend to change anything, just that the administration knows that this happens and people end up leaving BG,

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3 часа назад, Exclusively сказал:

I have been watching for days how several players create a team and enter BG on the FUN server

It's totally LEGAL... I'm not saying otherwise.

The problem comes when these people do this to take advantage and farm deaths in BG

The only thing they make people leave BG all the time. 

 

because they don't stop dying (because they enter solitary BG and have no one or because they are starting to play and have no equipment or JcJ.

It is totally legal to do this... but it is ruinous since not everyone has a group to enter (and these people do it knowing that it is a total abuse)

 

When entering BG and your party are always newcomers and without equipment... and the opposite side with iten level 550 just to receive free kills, is a disaster.

 

-> A newcomer to the server, if you create a character in FUN, you will be able to buy tyrannical clothing, put gems, enchantments, use professions, glyphs and enter BG with a great advantage. and when you enter BG they raise your equipment to 550....

 

->the opposite of FUN, a newcomer to X5.   (90% of players do not carry gems, enchantments, glyphs and usually go to BG, with timeless PVE clothes from the island)

and if you don't enter with PVP equipment, when you enter BG they don't raise it to 550, so you have no jcj damage or defense

 

I don't intend to change anything, just that the administration knows that this happens and people end up leaving BG,

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On 8/30/2024 at 1:56 PM, Exclusively said:

I have been watching for days how several players create a team and enter BG on the FUN server

It's totally LEGAL... I'm not saying otherwise.

The problem comes when these people do this to take advantage and farm deaths in BG

The only thing they make people leave BG all the time. 

 

because they don't stop dying (because they enter solitary BG and have no one or because they are starting to play and have no equipment or JcJ.

It is totally legal to do this... but it is ruinous since not everyone has a group to enter (and these people do it knowing that it is a total abuse)

 

When entering BG and your party are always newcomers and without equipment... and the opposite side with iten level 550 just to receive free kills, is a disaster.

 

-> A newcomer to the server, if you create a character in FUN, you will be able to buy tyrannical clothing, put gems, enchantments, use professions, glyphs and enter BG with a great advantage. and when you enter BG they raise your equipment to 550....

 

->the opposite of FUN, a newcomer to X5.   (90% of players do not carry gems, enchantments, glyphs and usually go to BG, with timeless PVE clothes from the island)

and if you don't enter with PVP equipment, when you enter BG they don't raise it to 550, so you have no jcj damage or defense

 

I don't intend to change anything, just that the administration knows that this happens and people end up leaving BG,

i solo que all the time and in most bgs i farm everybody, the only issue with bg's is the healer roles, quite often 1 team has 2-3 heals and the other one has 1 or even 0, devs should implement a script that only allows 1 healer role per premade group in order to que bg and block specialization change during preparation zone inside bg, this way if there is 1 premade queing bg which is often the case they can only que with 1 healer, that would stop people from queing bg with 2 or 3 healers, as per the noobs with no gear i suggest giving free full prideful gear to new players on xfun realm so not only bg's will be more balanced from the get go but also people from other servers might come to pandawow to do arenas 2v2 3v3 and tournaments, not so long ago a group of arena players joined the discord asking for free 550ilvl with the promise of bringing a lot of new players to do arenas on pandawow but the admins refused to make any changes so they all left and now are playing in another server, yikes decision

- limit groups that que bg to 1 healer role per group
- block specialization change option inside battleground preparation zone just like it is with arena, once u que u are stuck with the specialization u que'd with until the arena/bg ends
- give free 550ivl to new players on xfun realm

these are very needed changes that would improve the gameplay by a lot for everyone and bring new players to the server, specially arena players from other servers once they find out they are giving free 550ilvl in pandawow, pandawow is the server that has the least spell bugs so people for sure will rather come do arenas here than in other servers, they just need the free prideful gear to motivate them to come here

also, bring more new maps for battleground, we miss Strand of ancients, that was such a great fun fast paced map

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кого ты там на бг всех фармил, пузан усатый, тебе лишь бы чето заабузить а потом в бан улететь, в противном случае ты просто с бг ливаешь как опущенная плакса

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@warlockenjoyer

enter FUN, they give you practically EVERYTHING... you spend 1 hour preparing your character with professions, gems, enchantments, etc. (free) and then it's just doing PVP and PVP and PVP... Honor severe clothing and Conquest Proud clothing and PVE 589 clothing)

 

And they expect the administration to give away PVP 550 equipment? I support the decision they made.

 

I was only complaining for another reason,,, it's annoying to enter BG and find that your group is garbage... no matter how good you are, if your teammates don't support you, you end up leaving BG.

Many people don't carry gems, enchantments or glyphs... they will enter BG and they don't care about dying or they just want to be there to receive some honor and conquest.

 

And the FUN server has everything FREE from the beginning, that's when I say that players abuse this and it is totally legal

But it also happens when you enter FLEX. There are players with junk clothing who shouldn't even be in the band... but at the same time you see that they don't have Glyphs, gems, enchantments... and luckily it's FLEX and a lot of 589s help here...

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6 часов назад, warlockenjoyer сказал:

я все время солирую, и в большинстве bg я фармлю всех подряд, единственная проблема с bg - это роли целителей, довольно часто у 1 команды 2-3 исцеления, а у другой - 1 или даже 0, разработчики должны реализовать скрипт, который разрешает только 1 роль целителя на предварительно созданную группу, чтобы ставить bg в очередь и блокировать изменение специализации во время зоны подготовки внутри bg, таким образом, если есть 1 предварительно созданный bg в очереди, что часто бывает, они могут ставить в очередь только 1 целителя, что помешало бы людям ставить bg в очередь с 2 или 3 целителями, согласно noobs без снаряжения я предлагаю бесплатно раздавать полное снаряжение prideful новым игрокам на xfun realm, чтобы не только bg были более сбалансированы с самого начала, но и люди с других серверов могли приходить на pandawow, чтобы играть на аренах 2х2 3х3 и турнирах, не так давно группа игроков с арен присоединилась к discord, попросив бесплатно 550ilvl с обещанием привлечь много новых игроков для участия в аренах на pandawow, но администраторы отказались вносить какие-либо изменения, поэтому все они ушли и теперь играют на другом сервере, ого, решение

- ограничьте количество групп, которые могут участвовать в BG, до 1 целителя на группу
- заблокируйте возможность смены специализации в зоне подготовки к BG, как и на арене, после того как вы зарегистрируетесь, вы будете привязаны к специализации, с которой зарегистрировались, до окончания арены/BG
- выдавайте 550 000 ивл новым игрокам на xfun

это очень нужные изменения, которые значительно улучшат игровой процесс для всех и привлекут на сервер новых игроков, особенно игроков на арене с других серверов, как только они узнают, что в pandawow можно получить бесплатно 550-й уровень. В pandawow меньше всего ошибок в написании, поэтому люди наверняка предпочтут играть на арене здесь, а не на других серверах. Им просто нужно бесплатное снаряжение, чтобы мотивировать их приходить сюда

Кроме того, добавьте больше новых карт для поля боя. Нам не хватает «Древних берегов» — это была очень весёлая динамичная карта

Ты же мусор! Я тебя фармлю в 522 шмоте, при том что ты 550 и в пати по кд регаеш ибо дно очкошное, И после того как я на тебя нассу, ты ливаеш и идешь на другого персонажа сосать! Бывает, даже 3-4 твоих  персанажей за одно бг обоссу , пока ты дезертир на 20 минут не заработаешь, так как ливаеш на лоу хп, обосаный черт. Иди погуляй, задрот, сидишь в игре 24 на 7, убогий, толстый, неудачник.

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5 hours ago, Exclusively said:

@warlockenjoyer

enter FUN, they give you practically EVERYTHING... you spend 1 hour preparing your character with professions, gems, enchantments, etc. (free) and then it's just doing PVP and PVP and PVP... Honor severe clothing and Conquest Proud clothing and PVE 589 clothing)

 

And they expect the administration to give away PVP 550 equipment? I support the decision they made.

 

I was only complaining for another reason,,, it's annoying to enter BG and find that your group is garbage... no matter how good you are, if your teammates don't support you, you end up leaving BG.

Many people don't carry gems, enchantments or glyphs... they will enter BG and they don't care about dying or they just want to be there to receive some honor and conquest.

 

And the FUN server has everything FREE from the beginning, that's when I say that players abuse this and it is totally legal

But it also happens when you enter FLEX. There are players with junk clothing who shouldn't even be in the band... but at the same time you see that they don't have Glyphs, gems, enchantments... and luckily it's FLEX and a lot of 589s help here...

hey if people want to grind shit and get farmed on x100 and x5 realms is their problem, i focus only on the xfun realm and server issue with lack of arenas

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1 hour ago, Вахер said:

Ты же мусор! Я тебя фармлю в 522 шмоте, при том что ты 550 и в пати по кд регаеш ибо дно очкошное, И после того как я на тебя нассу, ты ливаеш и идешь на другого персонажа сосать! Бывает, даже 3-4 твоих  персанажей за одно бг обоссу , пока ты дезертир на 20 минут не заработаешь, так как ливаеш на лоу хп, обосаный черт. Иди погуляй, задрот, сидишь в игре 24 на 7, убогий, толстый, неудачник.

that made me laugh lmao, had a good 1-2min of giggles after reading this ahahah, so angry lmao

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В 30.08.2024 в 13:56, Exclusively сказал:

->the opposite of FUN, a newcomer to X5.   (90% of players do not carry gems, enchantments, glyphs and usually go to BG, with timeless PVE clothes from the island)

and if you don't enter with PVP equipment, when you enter BG they don't raise it to 550, so you have no jcj damage or defense

 

if i do not a want farm pvp equip?What heppend?I dont want to get PVP gear.

i want to get fun and 4 me anyway win or lose
and if I don't want to do this whole thing. I just want to go and look at the new Battle Grounds ported from the new additions? I just like to run on Battle Grounds. Why should I adjust to you?
Battle Grounds doesn't have a ranking and it doesn't matter.
World of Warcraft gives me freedom of action and I want to do whatever I want, not what some idiot from a fan realm tells me to do.

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16 часов назад, warlockenjoyer сказал:

это меня рассмешило, я минут 10-15 хихикала после того, как прочитала это, ахаха, так разозлило, что я смеялась

Обоссан 1-1 на изи, говорю, ты мусар. Я нассал на тебя, будучи  в 522 шмоте, а ты 550!WoWScrnShot_122824_210534.thumb.jpg.5c2eb9e042f8f14bcb1409c0332b1a10.jpg

Ты так испугался меня, что предпочел повиться у ангела на кладбище с дебафом, ахахаха.

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On 3/14/2025 at 1:54 PM, warlockenjoyer said:

i solo que all the time and in most bgs i farm everybody, the only issue with bg's is the healer roles, quite often 1 team has 2-3 heals and the other one has 1 or even 0, devs should implement a script that only allows 1 healer role per premade group in order to que bg and block specialization change during preparation zone inside bg, this way if there is 1 premade queing bg which is often the case they can only que with 1 healer, that would stop people from queing bg with 2 or 3 healers, as per the noobs with no gear i suggest giving free full prideful gear to new players on xfun realm so not only bg's will be more balanced from the get go but also people from other servers might come to pandawow to do arenas 2v2 3v3 and tournaments, not so long ago a group of arena players joined the discord asking for free 550ilvl with the promise of bringing a lot of new players to do arenas on pandawow but the admins refused to make any changes so they all left and now are playing in another server, yikes decision

- limit groups that que bg to 1 healer role per group
- block specialization change option inside battleground preparation zone just like it is with arena, once u que u are stuck with the specialization u que'd with until the arena/bg ends
- give free 550ivl to new players on xfun realm

these are very needed changes that would improve the gameplay by a lot for everyone and bring new players to the server, specially arena players from other servers once they find out they are giving free 550ilvl in pandawow, pandawow is the server that has the least spell bugs so people for sure will rather come do arenas here than in other servers, they just need the free prideful gear to motivate them to come here

also, bring more new maps for battleground, we miss Strand of ancients, that was such a great fun fast paced map

@Jegerm the server need those changes, at least the healer roles one, the 550ilvl one is optional i guess but i do think it would bring arena playerbase into pwow

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2 часа назад, warlockenjoyer сказал:

@Jegerm the server need those changes, at least the healer roles one, the 550ilvl one is optional i guess but i do think it would bring arena playerbase into pwow

Another bald whiner crawled out again. Battlegrounds are made for fun, there’s no competitive mode, people play them to relax. I honestly don’t understand why you keep whining about premades. A premade doesn’t decide the outcome - 4-5 coordinated players won’t turn the game around against 10 opponents. It all depends on matchmaking. If the premade gets undergeared players while the enemy team gets full 550 ilvl players, it’ll be a one-sided stomp, and your premade will be the one crying. Everyone complains about premades, but no one complains about Affliction Warlocks, who can solo wipe half a party with Seed of Corruption -

now that’s fun

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18 hours ago, Maximtawer said:

Another bald whiner crawled out again. Battlegrounds are made for fun, there’s no competitive mode, people play them to relax. I honestly don’t understand why you keep whining about premades. A premade doesn’t decide the outcome - 4-5 coordinated players won’t turn the game around against 10 opponents. It all depends on matchmaking. If the premade gets undergeared players while the enemy team gets full 550 ilvl players, it’ll be a one-sided stomp, and your premade will be the one crying. Everyone complains about premades, but no one complains about Affliction Warlocks, who can solo wipe half a party with Seed of Corruption -

now that’s fun

warlocks work as they did in retail, the roles system in pandawow is cooked, it doesnt work like it works in retail, creating a ton of unbalanced boring bgs, the changes i suggest would improve the server greatly

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1 час назад, warlockenjoyer сказал:

warlocks work as they did in retail, the roles system in pandawow is cooked, it doesnt work like it works in retail, creating a ton of unbalanced boring bgs, the changes i suggest would improve the server greatly

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3 часа назад, warlockenjoyer сказал:

warlocks work as they did in retail, the roles system in pandawow is cooked, it doesnt work like it works in retail, creating a ton of unbalanced boring bgs, the changes i suggest would improve the server greatly

 

Of course, even with work, you're right. But that's not the point. What we have now is cross-faction BGs due to low player activity. I don't often see groups with 4-5 healers in 10v10 BGs - yes, it happens, but it doesn’t give a significant advantage because the opponents lose a huge chunk of their damage while gaining strong healing. Yes, it results in a stalemate fight, but again, BGs weren’t exactly designed for brainless NPC-like fights in the middle of the map.

And then, if you introduce a healer limit - let’s say in a 10v10 BG there’s only one healer instead of two - what happens if the enemy team gets one or two Affliction Warlocks? The BG will be completely one-sided because the average BG players don’t know how to focus on targets that deal significant damage (and I’m not just talking about counter-damage, but also control).

In short, there’s no point in limiting the number of healers in BGs. If you’re going to restrict one role, then logically, other roles should be balanced too - otherwise, there will be class duplicates, which doesn’t make sense, right?

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On 3/18/2025 at 4:09 PM, Maximtawer said:

Of course, even with work, you're right. But that's not the point. What we have now is cross-faction BGs due to low player activity. I don't often see groups with 4-5 healers in 10v10 BGs - yes, it happens, but it doesn’t give a significant advantage because the opponents lose a huge chunk of their damage while gaining strong healing. Yes, it results in a stalemate fight, but again, BGs weren’t exactly designed for brainless NPC-like fights in the middle of the map.

And then, if you introduce a healer limit - let’s say in a 10v10 BG there’s only one healer instead of two - what happens if the enemy team gets one or two Affliction Warlocks? The BG will be completely one-sided because the average BG players don’t know how to focus on targets that deal significant damage (and I’m not just talking about counter-damage, but also control).

In short, there’s no point in limiting the number of healers in BGs. If you’re going to restrict one role, then logically, other roles should be balanced too - otherwise, there will be class duplicates, which doesn’t make sense, right?

i would limit bgs to 1 heal per team, anytime a bg has no healers its fairly balanced and fun and lots of action back and forth since people cant self sustain forever, whenever there is healers disparity it usually ends up onesided, and if we are going to have things blizzlike then the healer roles thing should be modified

like this for example, 2 healers vs 0 healers, pointless game, if healer roles were limited to 1 per group and u couldnt change specs inside bg and there was a matchmaking system that takes into account healing roles on each team this would never happen or very rarely happen

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It is impossible to realize your proposal. You are forcing some people to change specialization because your opinion is; too many healers is not ok. this is an opinion and not a fact, which immediately invalidates your point of view. Suppose this is still observed then it means to me, for example, that in the evening hours I am almost forced to play a DPS because the teams are too 'strong' in your opinion. This makes panda-wow no longer a 'free' game for me.


Don't get me wrong, I get where your thought process is coming from. Sometimes we are in a battleground with a total of 6–7 healers during a 15v15. But as Nyancat says, as soon as an enemy team deploys a double affliction warlock who knows how his rotation works, you are immediately lost with only 1–2 healers.


Now imagine this being deployed effectively, how many people do you think would have been helped? And how many do you think would have been lost because of this decision?

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19 часов назад, warlockenjoyer сказал:

i would limit bgs to 1 heal per team, anytime a bg has no healers its fairly balanced and fun and lots of action back and forth since people can self sustain forever, whenever there is healers disparity it usually ends up onesided, and if we are going to have things blizzlike then the healer roles thing should be modified
 

You have to understand that due to low player activity, there are situations where battleground groups have either fewer or more healers. Moreover, if such a system were implemented, one battleground would have a full 10v10 match, while another might be empty or not start at all. As a result, some players who queue as healers could end up waiting for hours for a battleground to pop.

On top of that, put yourself in the healer’s shoes - you're the only one trying to keep the whole group alive, while two Affliction Warlocks focus you, making it impossible to heal no matter what you do. Even if you take a Shaman, the strongest AoE healer, they would still be completely useless in that situation.
It's not just about Affliction Warlocks - if there's only one healer on a battleground, they won’t be able to do much against nine competent, skilled damage dealers. Healers would simply be out of the game, and classes like Holy Priest and Holy Paladin would be useless in battlegrounds due to their weaker healing compared to other classes.
You just don’t play healers and don’t understand how difficult, and sometimes even impossible, it is for a solo healer to keep the entire group alive when facing strong damage dealers, especially those with decent AoE healing.

3 часа назад, Pablous сказал:

Don't get me wrong, I get where your thought process is coming from. Sometimes we are in a battleground with a total of 6–7 healers during a 15v15. But as Nyancat says, as soon as an enemy team deploys a double affliction warlock who knows how his rotation works, you are immediately lost with only 1–2 healers.

The person who understands the situation best.

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6 hours ago, Maximtawer said:

You have to understand that due to low player activity

we really need free 550ilvl items from the start items npc and run the voice that pwow gives full gear from the start so arena players come play here

i said 1 heal per team because usually there is only 1 premade queing with 2 healers and the other team has none, in 15v15 fights i dont mind 3 healers vs 3 healers, is fun anyway, but the problem is when its 5 heaelrs vs 5 healers then nobody is dying for the entire fight lol, or when one team has 0 heals and the other one has 2 or 3 or even 5

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4 часа назад, Maximtawer сказал:

You have to understand that due to low player activity, there are situations where battleground groups have either fewer or more healers. Moreover, if such a system were implemented, one battleground would have a full 10v10 match, while another might be empty or not start at all. As a result, some players who queue as healers could end up waiting for hours for a battleground to pop.

On top of that, put yourself in the healer’s shoes - you're the only one trying to keep the whole group alive, while two Affliction Warlocks focus you, making it impossible to heal no matter what you do. Even if you take a Shaman, the strongest AoE healer, they would still be completely useless in that situation.
It's not just about Affliction Warlocks - if there's only one healer on a battleground, they won’t be able to do much against nine competent, skilled damage dealers. Healers would simply be out of the game, and classes like Holy Priest and Holy Paladin would be useless in battlegrounds due to their weaker healing compared to other classes.
You just don’t play healers and don’t understand how difficult, and sometimes even impossible, it is for a solo healer to keep the entire group alive when facing strong damage dealers, especially those with decent AoE healing.

The person who understands the situation best.

 

В 18.03.2025 в 18:09, Maximtawer сказал:

Of course, even with work, you're right. But that's not the point. What we have now is cross-faction BGs due to low player activity. I don't often see groups with 4-5 healers in 10v10 BGs - yes, it happens, but it doesn’t give a significant advantage because the opponents lose a huge chunk of their damage while gaining strong healing. Yes, it results in a stalemate fight, but again, BGs weren’t exactly designed for brainless NPC-like fights in the middle of the map.

And then, if you introduce a healer limit - let’s say in a 10v10 BG there’s only one healer instead of two - what happens if the enemy team gets one or two Affliction Warlocks? The BG will be completely one-sided because the average BG players don’t know how to focus on targets that deal significant damage (and I’m not just talking about counter-damage, but also control).

In short, there’s no point in limiting the number of healers in BGs. If you’re going to restrict one role, then logically, other roles should be balanced too - otherwise, there will be class duplicates, which doesn’t make sense, right?

Прочитал я тему господа сделал вывод: пвешный спек АФЛИ Имба в сраке на сервере, как плюнет своим Аое, так не только хилов вынесет, но и ещё пятерых ДДшников одной левой)) АОЕ машина, страшно представить, что будет если ещё АОЕ драконы пересядут на Арканов, бумиков, но традиционно с тремя хилами за пазухой))

Вот такая новая форумная Аое мета на БГ, а остальные специализации вообще херня, особенности точечные ДД спеки такие как Фросты, ВВшники, комбаты, анхолики, которые даже 1 на 1 не могут толкового хила убить)) занимают гады место на бг)) не то что Пвешники Аоешники плюнул вся Тима полегла)) Хилы то нищие шансов никаких против АОЕ драконов))

Я вот всегда думал, что афлика соплей зашибить можно УХХХ как же ошибался)))

P.S Так держать парни душим бургов)) жду легенды о пвешных дракончиках на шп, арканах,бумиках...

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21 минуту назад, Swoksaar сказал:

 

Прочитал я тему господа сделал вывод: пвешный спек АФЛИ Имба в сраке на сервере, как плюнет своим Аое, так не только хилов вынесет, но и ещё пятерых ДДшников одной левой)) АОЕ машина, страшно представить, что будет если ещё АОЕ драконы пересядут на Арканов, бумиков, но традиционно с тремя хилами за пазухой))

Вот такая новая форумная Аое мета на БГ, а остальные специализации вообще херня, особенности точечные ДД спеки такие как Фросты, ВВшники, комбаты, анхолики, которые даже 1 на 1 не могут толкового хила убить)) занимают гады место на бг)) не то что Пвешники Аоешники плюнул вся Тима полегла)) Хилы то нищие шансов никаких против АОЕ драконов))

Я вот всегда думал, что афлика соплей зашибить можно УХХХ как же ошибался)))

P.S Так держать парни душим бургов)) жду легенды о пвешных дракончиках на шп, арканах,бумиках...

Так близзкон выиграли типы в 3ке из за афлика. Там афлик кабины развалил. Если бы были сильные пвпшеры тут то и на арене бы плакали что афлика выиграть невозможно 

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