jegerm please

[Jegerm]

6 hours ago, warlockenjoyer said:

pls make it 2 heals max, 3 is too much, especially on a 10v10 map

We do not want to increase more queue length for healers. You have to think about other players to.

 

6 hours ago, warlockenjoyer said:

@Jegermblock premades from queing if there is more than 1 healer role, thats the most important needed change, it will fix 99% of bg imbalances

This won't change anything. The maximum healers on BG will still be 3. There is no difference if you will have a premade with 1 DPS and 2 HEALERS or a premade with 2 DPS and 1 HEALER. At the end, the maximum amount will still be 3 on each team. Also, as I remember from the past when we had the 3 players limit in premade groups, most parties were consisted by 2 DPS and 1 HEALER.

 

Our main goal wasn't to make super hard restrictions which will increase queue but to not see anymore BGs with 4 or 5 healers in a team and the opponent team have 0 or 1 and I think we did it.

[warlockenjoyer]

1 hour ago, Jegerm said:

We do not want to increase more queue length for healers. You have to think about other players to.

gotcha, but 3 heals is too much, it really is too much healing, fights last too long

Edited Friday at 07:05 PM by warlockenjoyer

[warlockenjoyer]

27 minutes ago, Jegerm said:

Our main goal wasn't to make super hard restrictions which will increase queue but to not see anymore BGs with 4 or 5 healers in a team and the opponent team have 0 or 1 and I think we did it.

well, this bg i did an hour ago was 3 heals vs 1 

Edited Friday at 06:12 PM by warlockenjoyer

[warlockenjoyer]

@Jegerm3 heals vs 0 heals

[Jegerm]

58 minutes ago, warlockenjoyer said:

well, this bg i did an hour ago was 3 heals vs 1 

There is not much we can do if a healer skips the queue, afks or joins BG and leave a little bit later.

 

6 minutes ago, warlockenjoyer said:

@Jegerm3 heals vs 0 heals

Your screenshots are in the beginning of the BG. As you can see the group is not even full yet (5 players for #1 team and 7 players for #2 team), later probably the group will be filled with more players and probably healers. 

 

Also, as I said the other day, the current match making system gives priority to healers but if there are no healers in queue the BG can start without them or even continue without them and in the meantime this empty spots can be filled with DPS.

 

A BG with equal amount of healers can not be guaranteed in anyway due to all the unpredicted parameters I mentioned above.

 

The current system ensures that the maximum healers per team will be 3 (so you won't see anymore unbalanced BGs with 5-6 healers in one team) and in case there will be more healers in one team the match making system will give priority to healers to join BG as soon as possible. Of course as I said, if there are no healers online or they do not want to queue, the BG will stay like that.

[Bestwo]

@Егермне слушайте весь его бред, он просто скринит каждое бг которое ему не нравится, некоторый дисбаланс был на бг всегда, и на оффе в том числе, этого не изменить
сделав ограничение в 3 хила, для хилов и так увеличилось время ожидания, хоть может быть это немного сбалансило бг, но 2 хила это уже будет ошибкой)

[simferopol]

2 хила на 10 и 3 на 15 , вот вам баланс !
а скил невозможно от балансить что бы вы тут не на писали и не придумали 
и хватить ныть уже !

Edited Friday at 09:29 PM by simferopol

[abobuss]

можно за лив кровавые жетоны снимать по приколу. Ливнул с бг -1000 кровавых жетонов.Справедливо?

Edited Friday at 09:43 PM by abobuss

[warlockenjoyer]

2 hours ago, Jegerm said:

A BG with equal amount of healers can not be guaranteed

obviously, but often there is 2 heals in premade, 2 good heals, vs no heals or random bad healers, thats why i told u we need to block more than 1 heal spec per premade, to ensure those good healer players are split on different teams in case there isnt more good healers queing, 2 good healers vs 2 random healers does make a big difference in bg

and we really need the healers limited to 2 per team max, 3 is too much, the fights never end with that many healers per team

Edited Friday at 09:51 PM by warlockenjoyer

[warlockenjoyer]

2 hours ago, Jegerm said:

if there are no healers online or they do not want to queue, the BG will stay like that.

this is why u need to block more than 1 healer role per premade, only 1 healer role per premade, so if there is only 2 good healers online they dont que together in bg and face 0 healers on the enemy team, with this they would be forced to be on different teams

Edited Friday at 09:54 PM by warlockenjoyer

[Jegerm]

1 hour ago, warlockenjoyer said:

this is why u need to block more than 1 healer role per premade, only 1 healer role per premade, so if there is only 2 good healers online they dont que together in bg and face 0 healers on the enemy team, with this they would be forced to be on different teams

You are just giving an example where 2 healers are online and one of those healers is in a premade group. What if there are 3 or 5 healers online who are interested to play BG without a premade, the BG will not be fair according to you? Even with your suggestion, even if it matches 1 by 1 healer at every premade, a new healer can join anytime and "ruin" the equality.

 

As I said there are dozens of parameters that can not be predicted and we will not make any other restirctions to premade groups or healers for the reasons I already explained several times.

 

You just have to accept that the perfectly balanced BG doesn't exist. Always someone will afk, someone will be under geared, someone will not have a clue how his class/specialization work etc.

[warlockenjoyer]

9 hours ago, Jegerm said:

What if there are 3 or 5 healers online who are interested to play BG without a premade, the BG will not be fair according to you?

3 healers per team is too much for the simple reason that in most bg's there is maybe 2-3 good dps and the rest are bad players that dont do any dmg, how do u want a teamfight to end when there is 3 healers vs 1-2 dps? do u play your own server? very rarely a team has more than 3 good dps and u want 3 healers per team, my suggestions are based on what i experienced and seen in bg, in most bg's there is 1-3 good dps and the rest are useles players, very often there is 3 good healers vs 1-2 good dps and the fights never end

and yes i would block premades from queing with more than 1 healer for the simple reason that if there is only 2 good healers online they should be facing each other instead of queing together for the sake of balance

i dont make random suggestions, there is a lot of reasoning behind them

Edited 21 hours ago by warlockenjoyer

[Jegerm]

16 minutes ago, warlockenjoyer said:

3 healers per team is too much for the simple reason that in most bg's there is maybe 2-3 good dps and the rest are bad players that dont do any dmg, how do u want a teamfight to end when there is 3 healers vs 1-2 dps? do u play your own server? very rarely a team has more than 3 good dps and u want 3 healers per team

I am glad you keep records, inspect everyone, ask their PvP experience, check their game play and scoreboard all time and you can tell who is bad and who is not. Maybe if you do all that you do not really play BGs and you focus on inspections.

 

Probably the BGs we played together yesterday at evening had 2-3 good dps on the team but somehow we managed to win several times an opponent 3 healer team. Maybe I was in a different BG who knows.

 

Anyway, I already explained everything and why we won't make this change but if you fail to comprehend it there is not much we can do.

 

I am locking the topic since all the questions and requests were answered or completed. I will come back on this topic when we will be ready with the rest changes that we will introduce on battlegrounds.

 

Locked.