Removing Conquest and giving players more to what it is

[Chainzrow]

We really need to address the current gearing system, because right now it pushes players into a frustrating and unhealthy experience. Being forced to spam Battlegrounds just to get basic gear before even stepping into Arena doesn’t feel good, and it’s creating unnecessary friction.

 

A lot of players go into Solo Shuffle (3s) or even 2s while still undergeared, not because they want to, but because there’s no real alternative. Then they get flamed for something that isn’t entirely in their control. The idea that “550 is free” doesn’t reflect the reality for many players—it still takes time, effort, and a lot of repetitive gameplay that not everyone enjoys.

 

This is why I think removing or reworking that requirement is really important. It might seem like a bold change, but it could actually make a big difference. If players were able to gear through the content they actually want to play, it would reduce toxicity, improve the overall experience, and likely bring more people into the bracket.

 

Right now, the system feels restrictive and discouraging. Making this change could help stabilize things and give the PvP environment a healthier, more accessible flow.

 

If there are other ideas or plans, that’s great—but this feels like a core issue that’s holding everything else back.

[Mercaderqt]

I can only agree on this.

[kanker09]

give everyone prideful gear from the start, motivate people to pay real money to the server for transmogs and magic shirts and cool visual shit, not for gear, DELETE THE X100 REALM OR REMOVE THE CROSS REALM FEATURE ASAP, having x100 realm idiots in bg is always a pain in the ass and so annoying, they are always either full naked pve 200k hp or fucking morons with no skill even if full gear, alwas have the wrong gliphs or no gliphs at all, its insane how bad they are in x100 realm

[kanker09]

18 minutos atrás, Chainzrow dijo:

We really need to address the current gearing system, because right now it pushes players into a frustrating and unhealthy experience. Being forced to spam Battlegrounds just to get basic gear before even stepping into Arena doesn’t feel good, and it’s creating unnecessary friction.

 

A lot of players go into Solo Shuffle (3s) or even 2s while still undergeared, not because they want to, but because there’s no real alternative. Then they get flamed for something that isn’t entirely in their control. The idea that “550 is free” doesn’t reflect the reality for many players—it still takes time, effort, and a lot of repetitive gameplay that not everyone enjoys.

 

This is why I think removing or reworking that requirement is really important. It might seem like a bold change, but it could actually make a big difference. If players were able to gear through the content they actually want to play, it would reduce toxicity, improve the overall experience, and likely bring more people into the bracket.

 

Right now, the system feels restrictive and discouraging. Making this change could help stabilize things and give the PvP environment a healthier, more accessible flow.

 

If there are other ideas or plans, that’s great—but this feels like a core issue that’s holding everything else back.

wow is an awsome game that its ruined by grinding mechanics

[abobuss]

8 hours ago, kanker09 said:

give everyone prideful gear from the start, motivate people to pay real money to the server for transmogs and magic shirts and cool visual shit, not for gear, DELETE THE X100 REALM OR REMOVE THE CROSS REALM FEATURE ASAP, having x100 realm idiots in bg is always a pain in the ass and so annoying, they are always either full naked pve 200k hp or fucking morons with no skill even if full gear, alwas have the wrong gliphs or no gliphs at all, its insane how bad they are in x100 realm

the delirium of crazy BGs players...522 gear allows you to feel comfortable on BGs.
When I started playing Pandawow,i was playing in green gear (408 ilvl) I remember how in 2014 we registered the arena in BG gear.
and no one cried that they didnt have enough gear. Administrationmade quests for BG for you that make things so easy

[The_Zealot]

11 часов назад, Chainzrow сказал:

A lot of players go into Solo Shuffle (3s) or even 2s while still undergeared

Is this a joke?

What other ilvl limit do you need? 550??? Since when has BG equipment (522) become insufficient for arenas?

 

11 часов назад, kanker09 сказал:

DELETE THE X100 REALM OR REMOVE THE CROSS REALM FEATURE ASAP, having x100 realm idiots in bg is always a pain in the ass and so annoying, they are always either full naked pve 200k hp or fucking morons with no skill even if full gear, alwas have the wrong gliphs or no gliphs at all, its insane how bad they are in x100 realm

Forgot to ask the idiot on Mojo Pujo. You are braindead player. Useless dk, armless pala, weakless lock, blind priest. Your 0 iq moves are just a meme. Started fight 1v10 - Died - Crying in the chat: "healer afk". 

What will you do when the cross is disabled? You're sitting on your FUN like in an incubator and not doing anything. FUN pvp realm, 40 people online, but there are no BG, no arenas. What are you doing there that's so important? Are you expanding your anal rings?

Once again I was convinced that pvp-players are brainless.

ЗЫ. Как сказать сруджо, что он бестолочь, на английском? 

[Chainzrow]

Every reply so far doesn't state anything. The server is barely active only active BG is with either premade or Pujo running his mouth with 550 group and 2 healers behind his back.

 

Every other statement made from @abobuss and @The_Zealotare irrelevant. Either way they made conquest easy to get or not is still not worth it farming on a server where 3s is active rarely and in all honesty if I don't que healer it probably wont be active at all.

[Chainzrow]

11 minutes ago, The_Zealot said:

Forgot to ask the idiot on Mojo Pujo. You are braindead player. Useless dk, armless pala, weakless lock, blind priest. Your 0 iq moves are just a meme. Started fight 1v10 - Died - Crying in the chat: "healer afk". 

What will you do when the cross is disabled? You're sitting on your FUN like in an incubator and not doing anything. FUN pvp realm, 40 people online, but there are no BG, no arenas. What are you doing there that's so important? Are you expanding your anal rings?

Once again I was convinced that pvp-players are brainless.

ЗЫ. Как сказать сруджо, что он бестолочь, на английском? 

I do not agree with removing cross-realm. I have no idea what the person above is trying to say, but calling PvP players brainless while you’re doing PvE—fighting a raid designed to be beaten—compared to fighting a real person and calling them brainless is a pretty wild statement.

[The_Zealot]

1 минуту назад, Chainzrow сказал:

The server is barely active only active BG

5v6, 7v8 - best active. Prime online!

 

Your whining is also irrelevant. You've been given a limit for arenas - 522 equip. 522 is free. What else do you want?

 

4 минуты назад, Chainzrow сказал:

but calling PvP players brainless while you’re doing PvE—fighting a raid designed to be beaten—compared to fighting a real person and calling them brainless is a pretty wild statement.

First, I wrote in the same message why that person is autistic. Second, memorizing tactics for each boss is easy, but memorizing 4 patterns of behavior for a class is probably an impossible task, right? After all, this is what pvp players are most proud of. 

[Chainzrow]

Just now, The_Zealot said:

5v6, 7v8 - best active. Prime online!

 

Your whining is also irrelevant. You've been given a limit for arenas - 522 equip. 522 is free. What else do you want?

 

First, I wrote in the same message why that person is autistic. Second, memorizing tactics for each boss is easy, but memorizing 4 patterns of behavior for a class is probably an impossible task, right? After all, this is what pvp players are most proud of. 

Pretty sure you are just here to rage bait unfortunate attempt. But whatever you say I guess cannot change a mind of a brainless PVE player. I will kindly ask do not reply unless you have something in sense to say and not to be rude .

[The_Zealot]

21 минуту назад, Chainzrow сказал:

Pretty sure you are just here to rage bait unfortunate attempt. But whatever you say I guess cannot change a mind of a brainless PVE player. I will kindly ask do not reply unless you have something in sense to say and not to be rude .

Braindead pvp-player called someone brainless. How to live on? 

 

25 минут назад, Chainzrow сказал:

I will kindly ask do not reply unless you have something in sense to say

It was essentially written to you TWICE. You ignored it both times. It's just a question of your cognitive and mental abilities...

 

[Chainzrow]

Just now, The_Zealot said:

Braindead pvp-player called someone brainless. How to live on? 

 

It was essentially written to you TWICE. You ignored it both times. It's just a question of your cognitive and mental abilities...

 

You really need to get your facts straight. Playing against PvP and PvE players is a huge difference. However, someone like you, who plays a designed game that is meant to be beaten, is proud of himself—amazing.

 

At least PvP players don’t spend their time repeating the same raid every week and thinking they’ve accomplished something.

 

Please keep the discussion on topic, and if it’s relevant—meaning you actually play PvP—you’re welcome to comment.

Again, I am not looking to get 550 gear. I’m asking if we can do something about it, like making Grievous gear scale to 550 in arena or something similar. Thank you.

[The_Zealot]

3 минуты назад, Chainzrow сказал:

You really need to get your facts straight. Playing against PvP and PvE players is a huge difference. However, someone like you, who plays a designed game that is meant to be beaten, is proud of himself—amazing.

Are you an escaped monkey from the zoo or what? You started this controversy about pve and pvp yourself. I wrote you exactly ONE argument about the limits for que. You keep ignoring him, but you still poop in the thread. What facts can we even talk about then? I can tell you the facts about why you're stupid and why there's no fundamental difference between pvp and PVE content. The problem is that I'm going to do it in my native language, which you can't understand even with a translator, because I do not know how to convey the banal double negation in English.

 

11 минут назад, Chainzrow сказал:

At least PvP players don’t spend their time repeating the same raid every week and thinking they’ve accomplished something.

That's right, they don't waste their time on anything at all. They are standing in the duel zone and masturbating on each other. There is no other way to explain why there are no games anywhere.

 

14 минут назад, Chainzrow сказал:

Again, I am not looking to get 550 gear. I’m asking if we can do something about it, like making Grievous gear scale to 550 in arena or something similar. Thank you.

"I'm not looking to get 550. Just give me 550" - LMAO 

[Chainzrow]

5 minutes ago, The_Zealot said:

Are you an escaped monkey from the zoo or what? You started this controversy about pve and pvp yourself. I wrote you exactly ONE argument about the limits for que. You keep ignoring him, but you still poop in the thread. What facts can we even talk about then? I can tell you the facts about why you're stupid and why there's no fundamental difference between pvp and PVE content. The problem is that I'm going to do it in my native language, which you can't understand even with a translator, because I do not know how to convey the banal double negation in English.

 

That's right, they don't waste their time on anything at all. They are standing in the duel zone and masturbating on each other. There is no other way to explain why there are no games anywhere.

 

"I'm not looking to get 550. Just give me 550" - LMAO 

You’re throwing insults instead of actually addressing the point, which says a lot on its own.

 

First, there is a fundamental difference between PvP and PvE. PvE is predictable and designed to be beaten over time. PvP is dynamic—you’re playing against real people who adapt, improve, and punish mistakes. Acting like there’s no difference just isn’t a serious argument.

 

Second, you completely ignored the actual issue I raised: the gearing system and how it forces players into content they may not want to play just to be competitive. That’s the core of the discussion, not whatever personal tangent you’re going on about.

 

Saying “550 is free” is also misleading. It still requires time, grinding, and repeating content like battlegrounds, which not everyone enjoys. That’s exactly why people are asking for changes—so they can progress through the content they actually want to play, like arena.

 

As for your comments about PvP players “doing nothing,” that’s just nonsense. Queue times, participation, and activity depend heavily on how accessible and rewarding the system is—which again ties back to the gearing issue you’re ignoring.

 

If you actually want a discussion, stick to the topic. If not, then you’re just proving my point about how this system creates frustration instead of meaningful gameplay.

[The_Zealot]

12 минут назад, Chainzrow сказал:

You’re throwing insults instead of actually addressing the point, which says a lot on its own.

Maybe because you started this "discussion" yourself when I addressed something else to you?

 

8 минут назад, Chainzrow сказал:

PvE is predictable

Do I understand correctly that pvp is unpredictable? Do I understand correctly that rogue can use bubble? Do I understand correctly that resto shaman can kill 3 players one time with dots? Do I understand correctly that mage under silence can burst like warriror with bladestorm? Ok.

 

13 минут назад, Chainzrow сказал:

PvP is dynamic—you’re playing against real people who adapt, improve, and punish mistakes. Acting like there’s no difference just isn’t a serious argument.

Do I understand correctly that PvE is not dynamic and bosses can't punish mistakes? Do I understand correctly that adaptations and improvements mean the appearance of a necrotic strike in a priest in next game? In PvP, you're limited by your class, your opponent's class, and your common sense. You can't just do whatever you want and win. Your set of actions is very short and comes down to conditional 3-4 patterns of behavior. If you don't understand this, congratulations. You're either low PTS or low IQ. Or maybe both.

 

17 минут назад, Chainzrow сказал:

Second, you completely ignored the actual issue I raised: the gearing system and how it forces players into content they may not want to play just to be competitive. That’s the core of the discussion, not whatever personal tangent you’re going on about.

Good morning. The whole game is built on this. By the way, why then do people in 550 from the FUN not go to 3s and 2s, but sit on the bg or in the duel zone? Maybe it's not about the gear?

 

20 минут назад, Chainzrow сказал:

Saying “550 is free” is also misleading. It still requires time, grinding, and repeating content like battlegrounds, which not everyone enjoys. That’s exactly why people are asking for changes—so they can progress through the content they actually want to play, like arena.

 My god, where did you get that from? Who told you that 550 is free? Why did you decide at all that you need to get 550 at bg when there is an arena for that?

 

26 минут назад, Chainzrow сказал:

As for your comments about PvP players “doing nothing,” that’s just nonsense. Queue times, participation, and activity depend heavily on how accessible and rewarding the system is—which again ties back to the gearing issue you’re ignoring.

I'm asking you again. Why people in 550 don't que the arena? Why are people on the FUN que up for bg so reluctant ? And what's stopping you from que the arena at 522, which is a starter kit? Hands out of your ass?

 

31 минуту назад, Chainzrow сказал:

how this system creates frustration instead of meaningful gameplay.

It's not this system creates frustration, but people like you who want everything at once but don't do anything about it. Maybe we should give you 2200 in 3s just for starting to play in the arena? How about that? Create a thread on the forum and suggest it.

[Chainzrow]

3 minutes ago, The_Zealot said:

Maybe because you started this "discussion" yourself when I addressed something else to you?

 

Do I understand correctly that pvp is unpredictable? Do I understand correctly that rogue can use bubble? Do I understand correctly that resto shaman can kill 3 players one time with dots? Do I understand correctly that mage under silence can burst like warriror with bladestorm? Ok.

 

Do I understand correctly that PvE is not dynamic and bosses can't punish mistakes? Do I understand correctly that adaptations and improvements mean the appearance of a necrotic strike in a priest in next game? In PvP, you're limited by your class, your opponent's class, and your common sense. You can't just do whatever you want and win. Your set of actions is very short and comes down to conditional 3-4 patterns of behavior. If you don't understand this, congratulations. You're either low PTS or low IQ. Or maybe both.

 

Good morning. The whole game is built on this. By the way, why then do people in 550 from the FUN not go to 3s and 2s, but sit on the bg or in the duel zone? Maybe it's not about the gear?

 

 My god, where did you get that from? Who told you that 550 is free? Why did you decide at all that you need to get 550 at bg when there is an arena for that?

 

I'm asking you again. Why people in 550 don't que the arena? Why are people on the FUN que up for bg so reluctant ? And what's stopping you from que the arena at 522, which is a starter kit? Hands out of your ass?

 

It's not this system creates frustration, but people like you who want everything at once but don't do anything about it. Maybe we should give you 2200 in 3s just for starting to play in the arena? How about that? Create a thread on the forum and suggest it.

You’re throwing insults instead of actually addressing the point, which already says a lot.

 

Also, you started this “discussion” yourself when I was talking about something else, so let’s not pretend this came out of nowhere.

 

On your PvP vs PvE argument—no one is saying PvE isn’t dynamic or that bosses can’t punish mistakes. But comparing it directly to PvP misses the point. PvP is fundamentally different because you’re playing against real people who react, adapt, and change their decisions in real time. That creates a level of unpredictability and pressure that scripted encounters simply don’t replicate in the same way.

 

More importantly, you’re still ignoring the actual issue I raised: the gearing system.

Right now, players are effectively pushed into grinding battlegrounds just to be competitive in arena. That’s not about “wanting everything instantly,” it’s about being forced into content they may not enjoy just to participate on a basic level. That’s where the frustration comes from.

 

You keep asking why players with 550 gear don’t queue arena. The answer isn’t just gear—it’s also confidence, experience, and the environment. When undergeared players try to queue, they often get flamed, which discourages them from continuing. So they stick to battlegrounds or dueling instead. That’s a system problem, not just a player problem.

 

And yes, technically you can queue arena at 522. But let’s be realistic—going in significantly undergeared puts you at a clear disadvantage, and most players know that. That’s exactly why they feel forced to grind first.

 

No one is asking for free rating or instant rewards. The point is to make gearing more aligned with the content people actually want to play, so the system feels rewarding instead of restrictive.

 

If you want to argue against that, that’s fine—but at least address the actual issue instead of turning it into personal attacks.

[Chainzrow]

At this point, you’re just repeating the same arguments you made several posts ago without actually addressing anything new I’ve said. If that’s all this is going to be, there’s really no point in continuing the discussion.

 

Also, the fact that you have to rely on insults instead of sticking to the argument says more than enough on its own. If you want to have a proper discussion, focus on the points being made—otherwise, this just goes nowhere.

[abobuss]

You think that playing with players is more interesting than playing PVE. cuz the players make different decisions. But their decisions are half-hearted. 95-98% of players make the same decisions. If you wanted to play with really strong players you would play on mop classic/retail and had a very high rating and skill. 

from the outside it looks like this - nobrain mindset players playing with another nobrain mindset players
Non-standard solutions are called non-standard cuz they are not popular and not everyone sees them.
What's the point of me playing monotonous BGS where the same people are there day after day and everything is the same?
Apparently, you have a hard time accepting the fact that PVE players press more buttons than the average BG player (not about u)

50 minutes ago, Chainzrow said:

On your PvP vs PvE argument—no one is saying PvE isn’t dynamic or that bosses can’t punish mistakes. But comparing it directly to PvP misses the point. PvP is fundamentally different because you’re playing against real people who react, adapt, and change their decisions in real time. That creates a level of unpredictability and pressure that scripted encounters simply don’t replicate in the same way.

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by abobuss

[Chainzrow]

3 minutes ago, abobuss said:

You think that playing with players is more interesting than playing PVE. cuz the players make different decisions. But their decisions are half-hearted. 95-98% of players make the same decisions. If you wanted to play with really strong players you would play on mop classic/retail and had a very high rating and skill. 

from the outside it looks like this - nobrain mindset players playing with another nobrain mindset players
Non-standard solutions are called non-standard cuz they are not popular and not everyone sees them.
What's the point of me playing monotonous BGS where the same people are there day after day and everything is the same?

 

You’re saying that playing against real players is more interesting because they make different decisions. In theory, that’s true—but in practice, most players don’t actually play that differently. The vast majority follow the same patterns and make the same predictable choices. It’s not nearly as dynamic as you’re making it sound.

 

If someone really wants a high level of unpredictability and skill expression, they’d aim for high-rated play where strong players actually adapt and think outside the box. That’s where PvP becomes genuinely interesting—not in the average queue where decision-making is often repetitive and limited.

 

From the outside, it often looks like players with very basic, repetitive approaches just playing against others doing the same thing. Truly non-standard or creative plays are rare, which is exactly why they’re called non-standard—not everyone recognizes or uses them.

 

And that ties back to the bigger issue: what’s the point of grinding the same Battlegrounds over and over, with the same players, the same patterns, and the same outcomes, just to reach a baseline where you can actually start playing the content you’re interested in?

 

That’s the part that feels monotonous and unnecessary.

 

And again only replys I am seeing right now is players playing x100 not on Xfun so I don't see how those that bother any of you.

[abobuss]

5 minutes ago, Chainzrow said:

And that ties back to the bigger issue: what’s the point of grinding the same Battlegrounds over and over, with the same players, the same patterns, and the same outcomes, just to reach a baseline where you can actually start playing the content you’re interested in?

BG is needed to weed out weak players. Do you really want to see no-brain players in the arena?who will hit their faces on the keyboard and have 550 gear

[Chainzrow]

3 minutes ago, abobuss said:

BG is needed to weed out weak players. Do you really want to see no-brain players in the arena?who will hit their faces on the keyboard and have 550 gear

I would love to see 2s/3s active. I don't care who you are or what you are.

[Ink_Forever]

Было сложно, но удалось выцепить самое важное из темы:

2 hours ago, Chainzrow said:

Right now, players are effectively pushed into grinding battlegrounds just to be competitive in arena. That’s not about “wanting everything instantly,” it’s about being forced into content they may not enjoy just to participate on a basic level. That’s where the frustration comes from.

Вообще фрустрация понятна. Если пойти автору навстречу, то на фане можно сделать какого-нибудь NPC, который разом выдаст 100к ОЗ (или он просто откроет доступ к магазину 550, т.к. за ОЗ наверно еще куча всего покупается на фане), чтобы люди могли свободно купить себе 550, но в замен заблокировать им БГ до конца жизни на персонаже

Хотят БГ - одеваются как все. Хотят только арену - вот тебе сразу арена, никто никого не заставляет фрустрировать.

[Ink_Forever]

 

2 hours ago, The_Zealot said:

In PvP, you're limited by your class, your opponent's class, and your common sense.

3 hours ago, Chainzrow said:

PvP is dynamic

Уравнял ваши аргументы

[Chainzrow]

48 minutes ago, Ink_Forever said:

Было сложно, но удалось выцепить самое важное из темы:

Вообще фрустрация понятна. Если пойти автору навстречу, то на фане можно сделать какого-нибудь NPC, который разом выдаст 100к ОЗ (или он просто откроет доступ к магазину 550, т.к. за ОЗ наверно еще куча всего покупается на фане), чтобы люди могли свободно купить себе 550, но в замен заблокировать им БГ до конца жизни на персонаже

Хотят БГ - одеваются как все. Хотят только арену - вот тебе сразу арена, никто никого не заставляет фрустрировать.

Идея на самом деле интересная, и главное — она пытается решить проблему, а не игнорировать её. Фрустрация действительно есть, и она как раз возникает из-за того, что людей заставляют играть в контент, который им не нравится, просто чтобы дойти до нужного уровня экипировки.

Но полная блокировка БГ — это уже слишком жёсткое решение. Многие игроки не против БГ как таковых, они против обязательности БГ как единственного пути к нормальному старту. Лишать их этой опции навсегда — значит просто создать другую крайность.

Более разумный вариант — дать альтернативу без жёстких ограничений. Например, ускоренный старт для арены (тот же доступ к 550 или его части), но при этом оставить БГ как выбор, а не обязанность. Тогда:

хочешь БГ — играешь и одеваешься через них

хочешь арену — начинаешь без лишнего гринда

хочешь комбинировать — тоже пожалуйста

Главное здесь — убрать принуждение. Когда у игрока есть выбор, фрустрации становится значительно меньше, и он сам решает, как ему играть.