Orc or Undead for a rogue?

[Lektzz]

Hello!

 

I want to main a rogue but at this moment I don't know what class choose, I'm between orc and rogue, I found both racials good but I cann't decide.

 

So, for you, what race is better for a rogue?

 

Thank you.

[sygaden]

Well depends on.

Orc is amazing with its Blood Fury and stun reduction since you can't alway feint a full stun.

Undead is op too. The fear breaker when you come up against a warr/lock/priest and the touch of the grave proc is still pretty good and the cannibalize.

[dfabel]

Hello!

 

I want to main a rogue but at this moment I don't know what class choose, I'm between orc and rogue, I found both racials good but I cann't decide.

 

So, for you, what race is better for a rogue?

 

Thank you.

 

Do what i do think what you will be using more as sygaden sayed to be undead is good against some classes but you can use blood fury against anyone. My blood fury spell is still not working at least it says that gives 4 attack power or something.

[Fallen]

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=7744/will-of-the-forsaken - fuckin OP!

Horde: Undead Only

 

Ally: Human > N.Elf

[Frostshotz]

I would go orc for racial,but if i would choose between cooler race i would choose UNDEAD TO RULE ALL WOW RACES.

[klinstonas]

I would go for orc too,reduced time on stuns and blood fury is really good for bursting.

[uraganuu]

Ally: Human > N.Elf

 

I beg to differ. I'm under the impression that having another re-sneak/opener is much more powerful then having an extra DPS trinket. It's both an amazing defense AND offense tool. AND humans are ugly :)

 

You can even make a gank macro so you could essentially kill someone without giving them the ability to see you. Like 1(open), ambush, evis, whatever till Subterfuge unsneaks you, then vanish(2), open, ambush, evis etc, preparation(3), vanish, open, ambush, evis etc, Shadowmeld, Stealth(4), open, ambush, evis etc...If done right, that's 12 seconds of force on your target and you're not even visible. Well, maybe a little bit visible due to latency but still impossible to target/counter. Think about it :) Does this not beat an extra trinket?

Edited October 21, 2014 by uraganuu

[dfabel]

I beg to differ. I'm under the impression that having another re-sneak/opener is much more powerful then having an extra DPS trinket. It's both an amazing defense AND offense tool. AND humans are ugly :)

 

You can even make a gank macro so you could essentially kill someone without giving them the ability to see you. Like 1(open), ambush, evis, whatever till Subterfuge unsneaks you, then vanish(2), open, ambush, evis etc, preparation(3), vanish, open, ambush, evis etc, Shadowmeld, Stealth(4), open, ambush, evis etc...If done right, that's 12 seconds of force on your target and you're not even visible. Well, maybe a little bit visible due to latency but still impossible to target/counter. Think about it :) Does this not beat an extra trinket?

 

Shadowmeld give you only one restealt when but you can always play with 2 dps trinkets in bg's for big crits so doesn't matter.

[Subhunterx]

I beg to differ. I'm under the impression that having another re-sneak/opener is much more powerful then having an extra DPS trinket. It's both an amazing defense AND offense tool. AND humans are ugly :)

 

You can even make a gank macro so you could essentially kill someone without giving them the ability to see you. Like 1(open), ambush, evis, whatever till Subterfuge unsneaks you, then vanish(2), open, ambush, evis etc, preparation(3), vanish, open, ambush, evis etc, Shadowmeld, Stealth(4), open, ambush, evis etc...If done right, that's 12 seconds of force on your target and you're not even visible. Well, maybe a little bit visible due to latency but still impossible to target/counter. Think about it :) Does this not beat an extra trinket?

 

a stealth that you cant move in over 9k agility? serious? what logic is that?

[StarCaller]

That depends they both have nice raceials for PvP if that is wat u gonna do.

To view more info about the races click the race icons next to the name of the race

 

Undead:undead1::undead2:

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=7744 is ofc good for breaking certain CC's

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=5227 is for some extra damage and some healing

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=20579 is ofc good vs people that use dots and so on ex. Warlock and Shadow Priest

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=20577 this one is useless you get ur HP up faster by eating

 

Orc:ork1::ork2:

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=33697 is good for burst

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=20573 is ofc a advantage agaisnt certain CC's

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=21563 totally useless for this class

 

So if you ask me I would go Undead but ofc if you want more burst go Orc

For allince hmm.. I would suggest either Human, Night Elf or Worgen depends on what you wanna do. (PvP or PvE)

 

Human:human1::human2:

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=20599 useless for PvP but ofc can make it in PvE due to the need of reputation needed

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=59752 a great advantage for both PvP as PvE players

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=20598 have no clue what this means (aka useless xD)

 

Night Elf:nightelf1::nightelf2:

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=20583 always helps a bit

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=20585 useless

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=20582 helps a bit in both PvP and PvE

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=58984 a very useful thing both as offense and defense (can line of sight and use so u get another opener)

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=154748 depends when u play lol :3

 

Worgen:worgen1::worgen2:

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=68976 imo it's useful

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=68992 always good with a little speed

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=68978 depends on ur proff choice

http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=68975 Good ofc

 

Thanks for reading :3

Edited October 22, 2014 by StarCaller

[dotadoom]

human >= n elf > undead > orc

[noshi]

If you would like the opinion of the best in the world, undead should be your choice for pvp. If you would like to go by looks but still pick a race with amazing racials, and prefer the look of orcs more, then feel free to choose orc.

 

It's clear that almost all the best players in the world play human for ally or undead/orc for horde (horde depends on your class) for the purpose of giving themselves the greatest possible chance of winning the most in pvp. There really isn't a need to ask what race to play for any class on either faction. Either play what you like to look at, or play like the worlds best play.

[uraganuu]

a stealth that you cant move in over 9k agility? serious? what logic is that?

 

Yes, that stealth gives you another opener on your target. It all depends on what do you prefer. My choice offers alot more control on the target with the form of a new opener/great escape tool. I'd pick this over doing more damage any day of the week simply because the logic is simple, if you live more/if you have more control of your target you do more damage.

[Repitchx]

Horde:

 

They're both great in their own way. I'd take undead over orc though. Will of the Forsaken is an extra trinket against Warlocks & Hunters.

 

Orc is good vs anything, cause everyone has a stun nowadays... the extra attack power is sweet, but I find undead way more useful.

 

Let's not forget about Touch by the Grave (or however you spell it). It's amazing for melees (specially for Rogues & Monks). Since you have Slice and Dice, you hit faster = more procs from TbtG.

 

Alliance:

 

Humans are quite overrated. Yes, it's the best race for a Rogue on the Alliance side. Two trinkets will never fail you.

 

Only reason why night elf isn't the way to go, is because of Faerie Fire. Means you can't use Shadowmeld = the whole reason for going night elf is a waste. I would only take night elf if Faerie Fire wasn't in the game.

 

Considering how dumb and OP druids are in MoP, you'll always find a Druid = you'll always get Faerie Fire'd. Just go human.

[Lektzz]

Will of the Forsaken is an extra trinket against Warlocks & Hunters.

 

Sorry, what? Hunters can fear undeads?

[Repitchx]

 

Sorry, what? Hunters can fear undeads?

 

Will of the Forsaken removes fear & sleep effects. Wyvern Sting is a sleep effect.

 

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"Removes any Charm, Fear and Sleep effect. This effect shares a 30 sec cooldown with other similar effects."

[dotadoom]

Only reason why night elf isn't the way to go, is because of Faerie Fire. Means you can't use Shadowmeld = the whole reason for going night elf is a waste. I would only take night elf if Faerie Fire wasn't in the game.

you are wrong aboout night elves being waste just because they will have hard time using their racial vs one particular class.. Shadowmeld = another opener and that's awesome for any rogue. Also they are faster, have better dodge and are much more sexier than most races xD

[Lektzz]

I didn't know O.o thanks!

[Repitchx]

you are wrong aboout night elves being waste just because they will have hard time using their racial vs one particular class.. Shadowmeld = another opener and that's awesome for any rogue. Also they are faster, have better dodge and are much more sexier than most races xD

 

I'm just judging them from the arena point of view. Only 5% more movement speed in stealth is not much. 1% dodge?...

 

It's wrong of me saying it's a waste to go night elf, but against a Druid team? oh boaaahy, you'll have a hard time using it.

 

They're both good races, but you'll find human way more useful than night elf in many situations.

[kestonz]

Horde: Undead

Alliance: Night Elf

[dfabel]

Horde: Undead

Alliance: Night Elf

 

I think that for 2 months he already decided.