frost dk

pujo2 · November 23, 2015

1. http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=81333/might-of-the-frozen-wastes , http://prntscr.com/962g5u (5.4)

2. Description of the problem: Don't increase Melee attacks dmg by 30%., and maybe in http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=49020/obliterate also.

3. How it must work: You should do more dmg in basic attacks as dk frost by using 2 handed weapon.

4. 23-november-2015

5. Realm Fun

6. Priority of the problem: idk, depends on if this also don't work for Obliterate (idk), can't even crit 150k on leathers while a warrior can do 280k crits on leathers.. (war have alot of defensives and alot of movility, while dk frost have no defensives almost and no movility, i think that a dk frost should do more dmg than a war just because his lack of defensives and movility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzwIUrkZb4Q

Edited November 23, 2015 by pujo2

kapa45 · November 23, 2015

maybe the spell dosen't show the dmg in you're charcter info instead it just automaticly increases idk about dk's so if i'm wrong correct me

Jonte · November 23, 2015

Btw, great job with all your bug reports!

dotadoom · November 23, 2015

warrior can do 280k crits on leathers

http://memecrunch.com/meme/RVEL/i-don-t-believe-you/image.png

(unless full buffed fury with berserker and avatar (which no1 uses) and double raging blow crit or smth)

PS the lack of 30% is just a visual bug. You can go hit a creep and you will see you do more dmg than your stats show

Edited November 23, 2015 by dotadoom

Jonte · November 23, 2015

http://memecrunch.com/meme/RVEL/i-don-t-believe-you/image.png

PS the lack of 30% is just a visual bug. You can go hit a creep and you will see you do more dmg than your stats show

My friend who is 530 ilvl warrior atm did a 173k crit on me yesterday, and again, hes only 530...and im 550.

uraganuu · November 23, 2015

1. http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=81333/might-of-the-frozen-wastes , http://prntscr.com/962g5u (5.4)
2. Description of the problem: Don't increase Melee attacks dmg by 30%.
3. How it must work: You should do more dmg in basic attacks as dk frost by using 2 handed weapon.
4. 23-november-2015
5. Realm Fun
6. Priority of the problem: idk, depends on if this also don't work for Obliterate (idk), can't even crit 150k on leathers while a warrior can do 280k crits on leathers.. (war have alot of defensives and alot of movility, while dk frost have no defensives almost and no movility, i think that a dk frost should do more dmg than a war just because his lack of defensives and movility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzwIUrkZb4Q

It's better to zone or relog after you switch weapons that rely on passives like that.

My friend who is 530 ilvl warrior atm did a 173k crit on me yesterday, and again, hes only 530...and im 550.

That is known to happen with Shockwave or Dragon Roar, especially DR. Anyway, I play a 529 Enhancement shaman and I've hit a 271k Ele Blast in Arathi yesterday. Does that make enhancements more OP then warriors?

Jonte · November 23, 2015

That is known to happen with Shockwave or Dragon Roar, especially DR. Anyway, I play a 529 Enhancement shaman and I've hit a 271k Ele Blast in Arathi yesterday. Does that make enhancements more OP then warriors?

I wouldn't say that, depends on what class you hit and what ilvl they were, like if it was someone with 200k from x100. And no it doesn't, i was just talking about damage, and my friend did that in a duel, and i feel like you do more damage and healing in duels for some reason.

pujo2 · November 23, 2015

PS the lack of 30% is just a visual bug. You can go hit a creep and you will see you do more dmg than your stats show

Nice visual bug: http://prntscr.com/965vcc

It's better to zone or relog after you switch weapons that rely on passives like that.

Relog don't work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm1AiE8xpJA , Btw if u see the chat i got 2 hours muted making the video without talk :/

That is known to happen with Shockwave or Dragon Roar, especially DR. Anyway, I play a 529 Enhancement shaman and I've hit a 271k Ele Blast in Arathi yesterday. Does that make enhancements more OP then warriors?

War can do 135+k critics on my dk in blood presence if i let him test burst (he is not 550 ilvl, 7 griveous items), a 550 dk frost can't even 100k almost going full buffs on a blood dk or a warrior with defensive actitude in test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVd-LrK7IgY (i will make a video on my dk frost doing test tomorrow, no time now.)

Edited November 23, 2015 by pujo2

dotadoom · November 23, 2015

Nice visual bug: http://prntscr.com/965vcc

*facepalm*

this is probably your minimum damage and yet it's larger

kill 10 creeps and post the screens baka

bloodknight2012 · November 23, 2015

Nice visual bug: http://prntscr.com/965vcc

You basically prove that it's a visual bug with this screenshot lawl.... So dumb ;x

pujo2 · November 24, 2015

wOh its true i tested vs more mobs, 30% is visual bug, and the 40% on Obliterate works correctly also.

But the point of warriors dmg vs dk frost is still a problem i think.

Did someone saw "War can do 135+k critics on my dk in blood presence if i let him test burst (he is not 550 ilvl, 7 griveous items), a 550 dk frost can't even 100k almost going full buffs on a blood dk or a warrior with defensive actitude in test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVd-LrK7IgY (i will make a video on my dk frost doing test tomorrow, no time now.)" ?

War - of 550 ilvl dmg vs dk frost 550 dmg, both dk and war in tank buff (tank actitude and blood presence) during the tests: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w88Xfdg-v7U

(the war didn't use http://www.db.pandawow.me?item=76095/potion-of-mogu-power while i do in the videos)

Dk frost can't even reach 100k (using http://www.db.pandawow.me?item=76095/potion-of-mogu-power) vs a war in tank actitude, while a warrior under 550ilvl can reach 135k self buffs over a dk in blood presence.

I will test over dk too in few hours.

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DK frost test vs dk (griveous) on blood presence, can't even reach 82k with mogu potion and self buffs, 51k crits Obliterate without burst..: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhkzezkNEZY

Seems a joke than a war without 550set can crit alot more than a dk frost over the same objectives, considering the lack of movility and lack of defensives on dk frost vs the war movility and defensives.

I serously think that dk frost dmg is so low in comparation to other classes.

Edited November 24, 2015 by pujo2

dotadoom · November 24, 2015

You basically prove that it's a visual bug with this screenshot lawl.... So dumb ;x

exactly, plus his current damage has a +4k attack power cloak proc which is not applied to the attack it self...

Frostshotz · November 24, 2015

Why are you even trying to compare two entirely different classes by damage?(well dk is a melee lock so...)

Noneedholy · November 24, 2015

while a warrior can do 280k crits on leathers

you must be completly dumb y ?

QQ about frost dk's ok.

We are not in WoD btw

dotadoom · November 24, 2015

@pujo2

I don't understand what's all that cry about warriors on the first place

I've never lost in a 1v1 against one so far. The only problem is that I'm now missing a lot of parry (faction change) due to a dumb bug ( http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=157497 ) which doesn't allow me to parry half of the warrs' hits during the battle.

Warriors can ignore 50% of your armor which brings you down to 40% physical reduction while in blood presence; which is still fine given the fact that you have bonus stamina

against a dummy I normally do 500k oblit crits and ~720k during during burst. And that's 6 obliterates in a row when I rune-reset. Add the pretty much permanent cc immune you get for being a frost dk and the warr's only option is to kite you for 2minutes (funny watching that melee class doing it but he's got no choice)

Edited November 24, 2015 by dotadoom

pujo2 · November 24, 2015

against a dummy I normally do 500k oblit crits and ~720k during during burst. And that's 6 obliterates in a row when I rune-reset. Add the pretty much permanent cc immune you get for being a frost dk and the warr's only option is to kite you for 2minutes (funny watching that melee class doing it but he's got no choice)

720k?

550 pvp set, mogu potion, self buffs, dummy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5RdGS0Lvzc

dotadoom · November 24, 2015

720k?

550 pvp set, mogu potion, self buffs, dummy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5RdGS0Lvzc

that's an epic dummy with about 40% physical dmg reduction; I was talking about the small one

but yeah, that's pretty much like a warrior in a battle stance, so reduce your damage 3 (0.2*1.62=~0.32 dmg in pvp) times and you can see how much you'd hit one for (166k or 125k if he is in def stance)

Edited November 24, 2015 by dotadoom

pujo2 · November 24, 2015

that's an epic dummy with about 40% physical dmg reduction; I was talking about the small one

but yeah, that's pretty much like a warrior in a battle stance, so reduce your damage 3 (0.2*1.62=~0.32 dmg in pvp) times and you can see how much you'd hit one for (166k or 125k if he is in def stance)

Vs war in def stance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w88Xfdg-v7U totally 166k or 125k.. same buffs as in dummy on the test.

Ok, then u are saying i should do 125k crits when war is in def stance? i even don't do 125k when he is on battle stance..

Can't even 160 on a mage in test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0hyWDnlqnU , wtf u saying 166k on a war in battle stance..

Then based on what u say, or war def is bug, or frost dmg is lower than it should on pvp, no?

Edited November 24, 2015 by pujo2

dotadoom · November 24, 2015

I was speaking in approximate numbers. The dummy probably has more like 35% and that geared warr 45% add that to the random min/max hit and close ths thread finally

pujo2 · November 24, 2015

I was speaking in approximate numbers. The dummy probably has more like 35% and that geared warr 45% add that to the random min/max hit and close ths thread finally

u where 80k aproximate then? :/

Furmetal · November 24, 2015

Use the training dummies in Northshire, they have little to no armor.

tiggar47 · November 25, 2015

It's better to zone or relog after you switch weapons that rely on passives like that.

That is known to happen with Shockwave or Dragon Roar, especially DR. Anyway, I play a 529 Enhancement shaman and I've hit a 271k Ele Blast in Arathi yesterday. Does that make enhancements more OP then warriors?

Oh.Yes it does.Warriors are more broken then Ench

pujo2 · November 25, 2015

Use the training dummies in Northshire, they have little to no armor.

The problem is the low dmg as dk frost on pvp, check the videos i made.

The main idea is: dk's frost lack of movility and lack of defensives should be balanced with more dmg if he get near his enemy than a warrior at least, who can charge and stay near the enemy all time doing dmg, while a frost dk can't. (the lack on movility and defensives is aplicable to almost all classes which have powerful defensives and healings, if dk frost can't def himself almost or reach his enemies ez, he should make better dmg.)

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Related post: http://forum.pandawow.ru/showthread.php?t=159366

Edited November 29, 2015 by pujo2

Neff · June 3, 2018

Don't increase Melee attacks dmg by 30%

Visual bug, will be fixed after update.

and maybe in Obliterate also.

It works.

Cometodaddy · June 19, 2018

Fix needs review

Might Of The Frozen Wastes should increase melee damage by 30% ONLY when equipped Two-Handed. If we equip One-Handed weapons we still benefits from +30% increased dmg

[spoiler=Proofs]

Plain text:

http://web.archive.org/web/20140211003546/http://www.db.pandawow.me?spell=81333/might-of-the-frozen-wastes

https://wow.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Might_of_the_Frozen_Wastes&oldid=3475858 (all melee damage ... while wielding a two-handed weapon)

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Might_of_the_Frozen_Wastes?oldid=2664148 (Now increases two-handed weapon damage; also this: Requires Two-Handed Axes, Two-Handed Maces, Polearms, Two-Handed Swords)

https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/10494843527#post-5 (2h gets: 30% more melee damage)

http://www.vanion.eu/news/warlords-of-draenor-beta-build-18663-neue-modelle-season-16-klassenanderungen-maps-mehr-10754

https://psynister.wordpress.com/2012/12/14/death-knight-leveling-55-75-frost-dps/ (damage increase to melee attacks in general if you’re wielding a two-handed weapon)

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